Breastfeeding in public (Was "Talking durring attractions")

[hobie16]

Blah blah blah...

Dude, you really need to lighten up. If you don't like someone doing something that's been done for thousands of years then turn around and walk away.

[CBeilby]

Congratulations, Head Mouse. You've managed to prove that you're stuck somewhere in the stone age, and by doing so, have become the first person to end up on my ignore list on the forum.

You are the weakest link! Goodbye.

[redfraggle]

How did we get here?

This thread was about talking during attractions, now we have a ridiculous conversation about breastfeeding in public. The breastfeeding isn't ridiculous, just the stupid ranting about women who should cover up.

The year is 2006. I have seen many women in bathing suits that show more than you will see of a woman feeding her child. It is not "dirty" or "sexual", it is a mother feeding her child. Why should she pump? Her system is working fine. I am sure there are also reasons not to pump, risk of infection, etc., but I am not even gonna go there.

I am a gay man and my only interest in breasts so far, has been my mothers when she fed me as a baby (not that I remember, just the assumption that my only source of nutrition for a while was accessed this way). I have no sexual desire to see a woman's breasts, but still I don't find them repulsive. Many times it makes me think of my cousin who couldn't breastfeed, she was mortified (she had medical complications). She would have done anything to be able to do that. I felt really bad for her. It is nice to think that mothers can bond with their children through a meal.

As for the negative comments, I am ignoring the main offender. It is one thing to have an opinion but yet another to ignorantly dismiss any contradiction to your stand.

Not that long ago we were all naked. With nothing to hide. Now it seems we have everything to hide, even the act of sustaining life? Not for me.

This reminds me of the argument to why many men (of various religions and races) veil their women. They believe that it is the woman's responsibility to cover themselves to protect the men from finding them attractive. Cases of rape and violence (even murder) have been accepted because the women failed to cover themselves. A religious leader here in Sydney is currently being attacked for saying that "uncovered women were equal to uncovered meat", that it is a woman's fault if she is attacked because she provoked it by showing flesh.

If you don't like something, don't do it, don't look at it, don't eat it, etc. If someone is doing something that is 'disturbing' to those around, such as talking during attractions, smoking in queues, etc. They should be taken to task.

Think about it, "I shouldn't have to look at that". What a silly thing to say.

[head mouse]

[font=Comic Sans MS]I can see we are dealing with stone age mentality when it comes to you Head Mouse. I have but one thing left to say: Your fiancee has my strong condolences.[/font] :barf:

She does not need anything from you. She too was raised proper to know that it's not right to show your tits in public.

Congratulations, Head Mouse. You've managed to prove that you're stuck somewhere in the stone age, and by doing so, have become the first person to end up on my ignore list on the forum.

Oh God. How can I ever live with myself knowing that someoen that obviously CAN'T READ has me on their ignore list.

I will say it one last time. maybe you all will actualy read it this time.

I am not aginst women breast feeding. I am aginst thoes that WON'T COVER UP when doing so.

Get it??????

[BirdMom]

I'm sorry, but "shouting" in big red misspelled letters isn't helping your case here.

First of all, some of your posts in this thread have betrayed a bit of provincialism coupled with xenophobia. However, I believe the provincialism plays out even more using a vulgar colloquialism for a perfectly legitimate anatomical term, breast. We get it - you believe that women's "naughty bits" (your way of thinking, not mine) should always be covered up. If your children find it offensive or unusual, it's because you have taught them to think like that. So you want your children to share your values - I can't argue with that. However, my opinion along with that of many others is that the human form is beautiful and no big deal when exposed - unless of course, it's someone - say a 300 pound man - walking around in a speedo and no shirt. THAT, I find obscene. I spent enough time in life drawing and life painting studios that I get no thrill out of seeing complete strangers drop their robes for my benefit. All I see is line, shadows and forms to be captured in an image of beauty or strength, not sexual exploitation.

Our society is so strange for alternately sexualizing various body parts while crying out for no exposure whatsoever.

I don't suppose you've ever been to any public park in Germany, or public beach in Australia, where it is considered perfectly normal (and is legal) to peel one's clothing off and sunbathe nude. It's no wonder the rest of the world thinks we're idiots. We have silly people here who get all up in arms about (illicit) love affairs or exposed body parts, but they don't think anything is wrong with violence - real or imagined, or people living rough on the streets.

So. You think that all women should stay covered up and that everyone should speak English here. Whatever - I don't agree. However, when you start blasting your opinion forward in a huge font akin to a primal scream, I'm afraid I'm going to have to imitate the wise user above me and add you to my ignore list. Arguments are more effective when each side tries to absorb and understand the other's point of view. It's pretty clear that you are unwilling to do that in any instance when other p.o.v.'s collide with your own. I'm sure one of the mods will have something to say about the way you made your most recent post.

[head mouse]

However, my opinion along with that of many others is that the human form is beautiful and no big deal when exposed

Then maybe you should live in a nudist camp.

I passed this discussion onto another board I am on.

Let me quote a member there:

yea, of course everyone turns away, but its still bothersome.

it makes you feel uncomfortable, thats the whole point.

its kinda like... a couple making out in front of you, or feeling up on each other(some people mind this, some dont).

it makes some people feel uncomfortable and could actually sue for 3rd person sexual harassment.

but seriously, does it take much for someone to fucking cover up their fucking tit if theyre gona do it in a public place?

its simply called respect.

End of discussion.

[idratherbeinwdw]

[font=Comic Sans MS]Birdmom, RedFraggle, SirWillow and LittleDollClaudia: Thanks so much for expressing yourselves so eloquently. The world is a better place because of people like you, and when I read posts like yours it confirms my faith in humanity.[/font] :snoopy2:

[Radar]

Sometimes. Dealing with the public my whole life and seeing "parents" letting their little brats run around and be little hell-yuns. I would say yes, thats a great idea. But thats not what I was saying at all. If a mother can not take their infant into public without having to flash the world her tits, then she shouldn't do it at all.

You seem to be saying that women who flop thier breasts out in public have unruly children that you must put up with. I "flopped" my breasts out in public to feed my infants from time to time. I did my best to cover up. But if someone was staring at me them they probably saw something. You'll be happy to know that my children have turned out to be very well behaved kids even though I am a defiant. My husband and I are often complimented on their politeness and kindess to others and each other. I guess I just got lucky since I am a white trash low life.

As to your discussion on the other board, making someone uncomfortable is not a crime. If you are uncomfortable look away, start a conversation with someone. It make me uncomfortable when people dress their young children like teenagers yet I don't go around yelling at them. Everyone has something that makes them uncomfortable, as long as it is not illegal get over it. We weren't promised a comfortable, perfect live were we. It is called tolerance and we all need have a little of that when dealing with people in the public

Yes it is respectful for women to cover up while breastfeeding. It is also respectful to be polite to people. Yelling at a woman to cover up is just as disrespectful. Loudly badmouthing people (so they can hear) to a child is also disrespectful. Trying to tell other people how to care for and feed their child is also disrespectful. The way you treat others will rub off on your child. If you model demeaning people you don't agree with or don't like they will follow suit. I don't have to be nice to that person they are trashy. What you would do to a breastfeeding woman is just bullying. I am sure you will be proud when one day your child's teacher calls to discuss how they bully other kids that are not like him.

To others, I am glad that I am not the only one who hold this view. I too consider myself conservative. Many peope who know me would be surprised that I am so passionate about this topic.

[head mouse]

You seem to be saying that women who flop thier breasts out in public have unruly children that you must put up with.

No. You seem to be mixing words.

I "flopped" my breasts out in public to feed my infants from time to time. I did my best to cover up.

THATS THE DIFFERENCE. LETS TRY THIS AGAIN....

IT'S THE NOT COVERING UP PART THATS THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THE NOT COVERING UP PART THATS THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THE NOT COVERING UP PART THATS THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THE NOT COVERING UP PART THATS THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THE NOT COVERING UP PART THATS THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THE NOT COVERING UP PART THATS THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THE NOT COVERING UP PART THATS THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THE NOT COVERING UP PART THATS THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THE NOT COVERING UP PART THATS THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THE NOT COVERING UP PART THATS THE PROBLEM.

As to your discussion on the other board, making someone uncomfortable is not a crime. If you are uncomfortable look away, start a conversation with someone. It make me uncomfortable when people dress their young children like teenagers yet I don't go around yelling at them. Everyone has something that makes them uncomfortable, as long as it is not illegal get over it.

Lets see how many laws it breaks.

1) could actually sue for 3rd person sexual harassment.
2) indecent exposure
3) public nudity

It is called tolerance and we all need have a little of that when dealing with people in the public

And we all need to show a littel respect. AGAIN I say I have no problem with breastfeeding, but I will not tolerate a woman that wont cover up.

Yes it is respectful for women to cover up while breastfeeding. It is also respectful to be polite to people. Yelling at a woman to cover up is just as disrespectful. Loudly badmouthing people (so they can hear) to a child is also disrespectful. Trying to tell other people how to care for and feed their child is also disrespectful.

No one said anything about YELLING. As for Loudly badmouthing people, maybe if they are embaresed becasue their breast are hanging out to the world, they will learn some decency and respect.

The way you treat others will rub off on your child.

I pray to God that my children learn from me and my fiance. I hope they grow up with respect for others to knwo that it is not proper to expose yourself in public.

If you model demeaning people you don't agree with or don't like they will follow suit.

Ever hear of a little story called the American Revolution? It was about thease people that didn't like the way the King run things, so they fought and made a better life for themselves. I also pray to God that my children grow up to not be pushed around. Not have to put up with crap just becasue the world says so.

What you would do to a breastfeeding woman is just bullying. I am sure you will be proud when one day your child's teacher calls to discuss how they bully other kids that are not like him.

No, but I will be DAMN PROUD when the teacher calls and says my childe got in afight because some little brat flahsed him/her and they didn't put up with it.

To others, I am glad that I am not the only one who hold this view. I too consider myself conservative.

CONSERVATIVE?!?!?!?!? So flashing your tits is CONSERVATIVE??????

God help the world. This is why we have 13 year old little brats running all over the palce with no respect, stealing shit, running into people in stores and not excusing themself. WHy we have 10,11,12-18 year old little girls dressing like little sluts. Parents need to teach modisty and respect.

I sure as hell don't stop a damn to say something when a little brat runs into me and dont excuse themself. I make sure I say loud enought "EXCUSE YOU!!"

[head mouse]

its probally because you are a male and have an opinion in relation to female affairs. as rational and level headed as your argument is it dosen't carry weight with females who believe they know best despite what others, male and female alike, know to be indecent and are willing to put out a little bit of extra effort out of respect to cover up.

to me this is no different than a woman wearing clothes many sizes too small and getting offended when people give her strange looks because "its my body and i can do as i like". true, until you step out into the public domain at which point there are basic expectations of how you present yourself, wether it be exposing a nipple or rolls of fat. :shrug:

Point well made.