Question for Big Wallaby

[Big Wallaby]

It's not that I'm scared of flying...I just don't like to think of anything going...awry.

That's why I prefer small planes. I've had at least some training how to land them when the engine dies.

Next August I have a meeting to attend in Santa Rosa, CA. I'm trying to decide if I'll drive or take the train. Train is nicer, but you have to go thru DC since Amtrak stopped running the Sunset Limited east of New Orleans. Plus it's much easier to make a detour through Anaheim if driving!

The other option, of course, is to drive to New Orleans and take the train from there. Ten hour drive or so to the Big Easy.

The MK at least used to be a no fly zone but the other parks weren't and I'm not so sure the MK is one anymore either.

Wasn't a no-fly zone tonight. :(

I can't say more, just that I am glad I wasn't a bus driver tonight.

[ktulu]

I thought there was a no fly zone over the parks? I see major airlines still do that. Ups will fly low over the park and sometimes it looks like it is landing near the hotels.

The Notice To Airmen (NOTAM) usually exempt those aircraft directed by air traffic control (ATC) to fly over the area for operational or safety purposes or those arriving/departing from a nearby airport. There are other reasons they allow fly overs as well. Military/Government aircraft. Pretty much it is to keep general aviation out.

The MK at least used to be a no fly zone but the other parks weren't and I'm not so sure the MK is one anymore either.

There is a NOTAM that is still in effect for the area around Walt Disney World. It started on 3/18/2003 and is in effect until further notice. It restricts aircraft at and below 3000' AGL, within a 3 nautical mile radius of the Disney World Theme Park.

There is also one still out on Disneyland, started on 6/3/2003 until further notice. Same restrictions as WDW, at and below 3000' AGL, within a 3 nautical mile radius of the Disneyland Theme Park.

You can get a waiver to fly over.

Here is the Disneyland NOTAM:
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_3_2123.html

And the WDW one:
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_3_2122.html

[Shorty82]

Wasn't a no-fly zone tonight. :(

I can't say more, just that I am glad I wasn't a bus driver tonight.

If you're talking about what I think you texted me about last night those aircraft naturally are exempt from no-fly zones.

The Notice To Airmen (NOTAM) usually exempt those aircraft directed by air traffic control (ATC) to fly over the area for operational or safety purposes or those arriving/departing from a nearby airport. There are other reasons they allow fly overs as well. Military/Government aircraft. Pretty much it is to keep general aviation out.



There is a NOTAM that is still in effect for the area around Walt Disney World. It started on 3/18/2003 and is in effect until further notice. It restricts aircraft at and below 3000' AGL, within a 3 nautical mile radius of the Disney World Theme Park.

There is also one still out on Disneyland, started on 6/3/2003 until further notice. Same restrictions as WDW, at and below 3000' AGL, within a 3 nautical mile radius of the Disneyland Theme Park.

You can get a waiver to fly over.

Here is the Disneyland NOTAM:
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_3_2123.html

And the WDW one:
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_3_2122.html

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

[turkeyham]

Big Wallaby- what airlines are you coming out on and how long is your flight? If you are going in through San Diego. I bet the first stop is through Atlanta, GA and a flight to CA. You did a smart pick. LAX has crappy traffic. The Amtrack is a nice ride. You get to ride along the coast until you reach Anaheim. The station is next to Angel Stadium. From there you can catch a taxi or bus. ;)

[lady ulrike]

Big Wallaby- what airlines are you coming out on and how long is your flight? If you are going in through San Diego. I bet the first stop is through Atlanta, GA and a flight to CA. You did a smart pick. LAX has crappy traffic. The Amtrack is a nice ride. You get to ride along the coast until you reach Anaheim. The station is next to Angel Stadium. From there you can catch a taxi or bus. ;)

Or maybe someone from SGT would be available to pick you up.

Post when it gets closer and you know arrival times and such and I bet someone here would be able to pick you up. If I'm not working, I should be able to....but I don't want to make any promises that far in advance.

[Shorty82]

Big Wallaby- what airlines are you coming out on and how long is your flight? If you are going in through San Diego. I bet the first stop is through Atlanta, GA and a flight to CA.

We're flying Delta and we stop in Salt Lake City on the way to Cali and Cincinnati on the way home. I'm surprised we don't stop in Atlanta, my granddad used to say "whether you go to Heaven or Hell you stop in Atlanta".

You did a smart pick. LAX has crappy traffic. The Amtrack is a nice ride. You get to ride along the coast until you reach Anaheim. The station is next to Angel Stadium. From there you can catch a taxi or bus. ;)

From what hhsrat has told me LAX is a mess of an airport so he wanted to avoid it completely. Flying into San Diego not only avoids LAX it allows us to take the train, which is something we wanted to do.

[Zazu]

The other option, of course, is to drive to New Orleans and take the train from there. Ten hour drive or so to the Big Easy.

Been there, done that, know a hotel that will actually take good care of Monorail Gray while I'm out west.

But the one advantage of driving is that I can visit folks all over the country each way. Amtrak has only one route, and it gets to some places at pretty obscene times of the night.

Hmm, looks like Amtrak is already booked. Let's see, 3000 miles each way at 58.5 cents/mile, Whoa! Much cheaper to drive. Settles that!

Now I just have to remind SWMBO how much she hates to fly!

[ktulu]

I'm not afraid of flying, I just really hate being in an airport. Ticks me off majorly that TSA assumes I'm a terrorist until I prove otherwise, and even then.

Since 9/11, I've only flown when there was an ocean in the way so I couldn't drive or take the train.

Next August I have a meeting to attend in Santa Rosa, CA. I'm trying to decide if I'll drive or take the train. Train is nicer, but you have to go thru DC since Amtrak stopped running the Sunset Limited east of New Orleans. Plus it's much easier to make a detour through Anaheim if driving!

You can avoid the TSA, just book a flight on a private plane. I asked a friend of mine (pilot) what it would cost to fly us all down to Orlando. He figured about 50k from Dallas. That was for a King Air with him at the controls. It'd probably be a bit more for you :D:

[Big Wallaby]

You can avoid the TSA, just book a flight on a private plane. I asked a friend of mine (pilot) what it would cost to fly us all down to Orlando. He figured about 50k from Dallas. That was for a King Air with him at the controls. It'd probably be a bit more for you :D:

Hmm... I think that's a bit out of budget.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

You can avoid the TSA, just book a flight on a private plane. I asked a friend of mine (pilot) what it would cost to fly us all down to Orlando. He figured about 50k from Dallas. That was for a King Air with him at the controls. It'd probably be a bit more for you :D:

I actually looked into an executive jet to fly from california to orlando. If we took everyone to WDW in the family, we could use a ten passenger jet. The cost would be a little less than if we booked everyone first class seats on an airlines!

interesting!!!