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Re: Scary Regulars

Post by GRUMPY PIRATE » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:12 am

I think that what some of the posters are saying, is to simply have a GENERIC "ID" for the service animal that identifies it as a service animal, nothing more. Then it would eliminate the "BS" people that are taking their pet along, and claiming it is a service dog.

The tag doesn't have to say WHAT it does, just that it is a service dog.

I think a LOT of people are getting suspecious of the number of "service dogs" that seem to be only pets.


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Post by EeyoresButterfly » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:44 am

I know the ID will not say what it is, but I still have a problem with that. I am sure there will be people with genuine SDs who will have trouble getting it, will have to jump through hoops, file appeals, etc. What are they supposed to do in the meantime? Not go anywhere? It's a shame that stupid people with entitled attitudes are ruining it for people with genuine need.


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Post by Canuikstan » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:23 am

EeyoresButterfly wrote:I know the ID will not say what it is, but I still have a problem with that. I am sure there will be people with genuine SDs who will have trouble getting it, will have to jump through hoops, file appeals, etc. What are they supposed to do in the meantime? Not go anywhere? It's a shame that stupid people with entitled attitudes are ruining it for people with genuine need.
Why would people with genuine service animals have problems getting the service tags?

Service animals have to be TRAINED to get that designation. You can just go to Petsmart, pick up a fuzzy and say "this is my service animal".

The Training facility would have to be accredited, and would issue the service tags as part of the pairing. I don't think that would be too difficult.



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Post by JugglingFreak » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:25 am

EeyoresButterfly wrote:. As for people with fears, having a fear does not give you the right to kick somebody out. I might have a fear of somebody who is middle eastern on a plane (common these days), but that does not mean they shouldn't be allowed.

Now, I have a problem with this statement. You are referring to "fear". I have an outright phobia, Ophidiophobia to be exact. Being in the presence of a snake triggers a "fight or flight" response from me than can be dangerous to myself and others.

I can not control it and have hurt people in the past (physically, requiring hospitalization, long story).

If I were a bus driver, I would leave the bus, as I would be a danger to all aboard and on the road. I would not be able to concentrate on driving and would probably be a far greater danger than a drunk driver.

Your definition of "fear" is like equating someone with Autism as "just being a little slow".



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Post by Mayonnaise » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:25 am

Question... are we including Emotional Support Animals as Service Animals? (Sounds like that's what Richard the monkey in that article is.) If we are, then there actually is no or training for some types of Service Animals.

Technically though, at least from what I've read, ESAs are not required by law to be admitted to all places that a task oriented service animal is. They are merely exempt from "No Pets" clauses on housing, and must be allowed on a plane with their owner with a doctors note, provided they to not obstruct the aisle. Unfortunatly unless Richard performs tasks, like alerting a family member to a panic attack when she can't breath well enough to call out, alerting EMS to her location if she's hiding from them because she panicked after calling them, or going in first when they get home to check for feared intruders and/or turn on all the lights Ms. Rose doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. I'm not saying it's right... I'm just saying that by the letter of the law task training is the demarcating line between a Mental Health Service Animal, which must be admitted, and an ESA, which can be denied entry.

That said, one does have to wonder what a snake can be trained to do for someone... reptiles are not really that trainable. I don't know that a snake could ever be more than an ESA.

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Re: Scary Regulars

Post by ktulu » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:41 am

I need to get one of those service animals shirts for Reagan, I think she would love Pirates of the Caribbean.


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Post by drcorey » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:43 am

Canuikstan wrote:Why would people with genuine service animals have problems getting the service tags?

Service animals have to be TRAINED to get that designation. You can just go to Petsmart, pick up a fuzzy and say "this is my service animal".

The Training facility would have to be accredited, and would issue the service tags as part of the pairing. I don't think that would be too difficult.
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Post by mechurchlady » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:26 am

Actually I think some people need to read the laws. A business owner or their agent can ask what makes an animal a service animal but cannot demand training papers. They can however ask that the animal not participate such as entering a restaurant if they feel the animal is a hazard to other guests. A yipping poodle would be forced to wait out side a restaurant however its owner could still be in the restaurant and be served.

A lot of myths about service animals and the laws. check disboards as they had the link to the federal info.


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Re: Scary Regulars

Post by Princess Susi » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:45 am

ThunderCat wrote:To get back on topic...

Another scary regular is George, the "Disney Tattoo Guy". Now, if someone wants to get a lot of Disney tattoos, that's their business... but I've had several guests complain to me that this guy will go so far as to tell other guests who have Disney tattoos that he's the only person who's "allowed" to have a Disney tattoo, and that they aren't allowed to display their tattoos openly in the park.

Sheesh! Check out the links to the pictures of his house. That guy's house is too much, even for me with my thousands of Disney collectibles. Most of mine are still packed away til we decide where to move and then I will do some Disney rooms to display my collectibles, but I will not do thew whole house as a creepy Disney shrine! I would not do Mickey Mouse sinks, toilets and tubs and put murals and pictures and cut-outs all over the place. That is just way too much Disney for me. Even Disneyland and WDW are not that much sensory overloaded in one small place!
Sarah Magdalene wrote:Disney Tattoo guy ... gives you interesting thoughts about where the Pinocchio one is located. :D:
He said on his website where Pinocchio was located as well as Sorcerer Mickey with his wand, It IS you know where! He said they are just a few of some of the tatoos that ONLY his wives have seen. Ugh! Not my type of Disney fan. I like my non-tatooed Disneylovin' hubby just fine.

Too much even for me....And I can be weird about Disney! This guy has me beat! ;)

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Post by GRUMPY PIRATE » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:09 pm

Princess Susi wrote:Sheesh! Check out the links to the pictures of his house. That guy's house is too much, even for me with my thousands of Disney collectibles. Most of mine are still packed away til we decide where to move and then I will do some Disney rooms to display my collectibles, but I will not do thew whole house as a creepy Disney shrine! I would not do Mickey Mouse sinks, toilets and tubs and put murals and pictures and cut-outs all over the place. That is just way too much Disney for me. Even Disneyland and WDW are not that much sensory overloaded in one small place!



He said on his website where Pinocchio was located as well as Sorcerer Mickey with his wand, It IS you know where! He said they are just a few of some of the tatoos that ONLY his wives have seen. Ugh! Not my type of Disney fan. I like my non-tatooed Disneylovin' hubby just fine.

Too much even for me....And I can be weird about Disney! This guy has me beat! ;)

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Well, you do bring up a good point, WHY does he need that much decoration at his house?

DW and I have stuff, but its very subtle, Disney bottle opener, "Mickey head" basket, and so on.

I was considering re-modling one of the bathrooms in a Mickey Mouse type of decortion, but nothing over the top!

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