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In response to something I saw on here somewhere

Post by Christopher » Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:16 pm

I just got finished attempting to use the "search" option to try to find a thread somewhere on here that mentioned what I'm about to write about here, but for the life of me I just can't find it. I had seen it on here somewhere and I kept looking and looking, but I just couldn't locate it so I'm posting this as its own topic. :oops: I hope it's not too sensitive a subject for me to talk about, I just wanted to try to same something about it from my own personal perspective.

I found a Disney park soundtrack cassette that I now understand to be out of print in a thrift store, and noticed that it had a track at the very end of it called "Light Magic".

My first thought was, "What's Light Magic?" I didn't want to try looking it up on the internet since I don't think the net is always reliable about containing facts as opposed to mere gossip, so I decided to ask my Disney travel agent the next time I saw her to make a trip payment. She suddenly got a very unhappy look in her face and basically told me what she had heard about it, in a nutshell she had said that it was a new presentation Disneyland was working really hard on putting together, that it wasn't able to be completed in time because it was so complex, and that Disneyland had really gone out on a limb to throw a paid-admission premiere party for annual passholders only to apparently have annual passholders who attended "throw a tantrum" (her terminology, I'm just repeating what I was told as I wouldn't know) and... well, I'm sure you understand by now what she described to me.

I thought about it while at work as it made me feel, how can I word this, it made me feel so hurt for Disneyland and all those cast members who had worked so hard. I'll be honest, it really made me angry on the inside with whoever-the-people were who were supposed to be the "guests" of that audience given a new show who were acting that way as though the cast members didn't have feelings. :cry:

For one thing, it made me wonder if such "guests" understood the special difference between merely watching a movie or TV show and watching a live presentation. The difference is that when one is watching a live performance, those performers are personally performing for the guests! I mean, if I was there personally, the special thing is that these cast members would have been putting on a special show just for me as a guest, and even if it wasn't finished that shouldn't matter because it is a special new show and it was made just for me in that sense, you know what I mean?

It made me wonder if "guests" like these complainers my travel agent described would have mocked a broadway performance if something had gone wrong onstage. Or how such "guests" would have felt if they themselves were still in the first grade in a school play and then suddenly slipped on stage only to have their audience laugh at them. Or heck, if they themselves were adults on stage and the same thing happened? I mean, who cares if things may or may not go wrong in a live performance? What makes it special is that it's a special flesh and blood performance put on just for the audience to share on a personal level. That's the part that's the most fun. It also means for my end that "guests" who act so selfishly have basically already supposedly "spoken for" future guests like myself by causing it to be cancelled, and now people like me will never have the opportunity to see and experience it ourselves.

So as my reaction to hearing about this situation, I just wanted to tell all you cast members that if I was there, I would have LOVED watching that new presentation. I would have loved to see what you had all put together for me to enjoy, as I've only had a few visits to Disneyland I've only been able to see a few live performances there big and small and I've always enjoyed them because Disney has always had a special touch to theirs that no one else has. In my few visits I've seen your beautiful parade "A Christmas Fantasy", I've also seen "Mickey's Detective Agency" and "Goofy's Beach Party Blast" and thought they were both really cute. I've also heard live band performances, groups of Christmas carolers and a barbershop quartet on Main Street USA, and others. (You can really see a lot as long as you hang on to the schedule you're given at the entrance, of course.)

And I can assure you all that I would have loved being able to see "Light Magic" too. I only wish I could have been there back then so I could have at least tried to go up to you cast members and thank you for performing it for me.



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Post by BRWombat » Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:40 pm

Christopher, I agree with the sentiment of respecting live performers and giving the CM's their due. No argument there.

But from what I recall, the outcry was not about the quality of the performances, but about the quality of the show itself. "Light Magic" is famous (infamous?) for sucking. I'm surprised you hadn't heard of it. On the positive side, it certainly had its fans, and anything replacing the Main Street Electrical Parade would have had a rough road to acceptance.

Admittedly, I never saw the show and only know it by reputation. Any one here see it or perform in it?


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Post by IndyBob » Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:04 am

It even when on to be known as Light Tragic. I saw it and it really was horrible. It was the first parade after The Main Street Electircal Parade left, so the guests were expecting some as good as the MSEP. All the APs who paid to get in and see it early demanded their money back and got it. Disney just needs to go back to making parades after movies. Lion King, Mulan, Hercules, ect were all excellent parades. Now they've had Parade of the Stars (POTS) for almost 4 or 5 years now (or Parade of the Crap as is commonly refered to) and they need to move on. There is a new parade coming in May, but thats still 6 months away. Hopefully its better.


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Post by hulkcoaster » Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:20 pm

If you paid 60 bucks to see a "public premire of a exciting new parade" that turned out to be a rough technical rehearsal that was plagued with problems I'm sure you would throw a tantrum too. The problem was that Pressler's regime was greedy and charged for it, if they hadn't I'm sure everyone would have been happy to see what goes into making parades and how they have to work kinks out sometimes.



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Post by GMC » Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:03 am

Christopher, your posts are great, but they're so long, your attention to detail is emaculate, but i'm an add kid, and wind up bouncing off the wall if i have to do something for too long, i'm not saying it's bad, but maybe a short version to go along with it? That way my already burdened mind can keep up.


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Post by Christopher » Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:20 am

GMC wrote:Christopher, your posts are great, but they're so long, your attention to detail is emaculate, but i'm an add kid, and wind up bouncing off the wall if i have to do something for too long, i'm not saying it's bad, but maybe a short version to go along with it? That way my already burdened mind can keep up.
Gotcha. ;)

In a nutshell:
I recently heard about a Disneyland show I had never heard of before called "Light Magic", and my travel agent explained to me what apparently happened when it premiered at a special AP party or something. And I was remarking that I was both shocked and saddened to hear of the reaction, especially since it apparently wasn't finished, and that I personally would have loved to have had to chance to see it because I have yet to be displeased with any of the live Disney performances I've seen. That's because to me it feels like Disney's live shows are specially put on just for me as their guest, and feels more personal, as opposed to just watching a TV show or movie.



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Post by Christopher » Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:33 am

hulkcoaster wrote:If you paid 60 bucks to see a "public premire of a exciting new parade" that turned out to be a rough technical rehearsal that was plagued with problems I'm sure you would throw a tantrum too. The problem was that Pressler's regime was greedy and charged for it, if they hadn't I'm sure everyone would have been happy to see what goes into making parades and how they have to work kinks out sometimes.
Please excuse my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with a "Pressler". Can you please explain? Or if there's a thread explaining who Pressler is, please point it out if you can?

I don't know about the situation you're describing, but to me personally paying $60 to see a new Disneyland event doesn't really feel like a big deal. Not that I have a lot of money, I never do :lol: . Seeing technical breakdowns, I'd feel a lot of concern but not rage.

Now if it was a situation like, say, I had shown up after paying $60 to see it only to learn upon arrival and seating that the whole thing had been cancelled and that no refund of any kind was being issued... now that would have had me upset. But even so, I wouldn't be the type to throw a tantrum. Appearing with a shocked look on my face at City Hall when asking about it, yes, but I'm not a "frothing at the mouth, purple in the face" kind of person.



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Post by Main Streeter » Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:09 am

Christopher wrote:Please excuse my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with a "Pressler". Can you please explain? Or if there's a thread explaining who Pressler is, please point it out if you can?
Paul Pressler was President of Disney's Parks & Resorts for 15 years. Ol Paul left in Sept. 02 (?) to become CEO for Gap in San Francisco. Glad Gap took him. :!:



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Post by BirdMom » Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:44 pm

My husband was in Light Magic - it was his next-to-last parade before quitting after nearly 20 years in the Entertainment Department.

One of the big problems was the concept. First of all, even though it was supposed to be a "parade", the guy who put it together flat out said at the first meeting that he hated parades. (Which made all the people who had been in the department for years feel like evil-stepchildren) He wanted it to be a show that moved from location to location.

Second, was Eisner's lame brained involvement. He and his wife went to see "Riverdance," they fell in love with the music and he ordered the creative team to make the stupid thing sound like "Riverdance." Whatever - personally, I don't associate Celtic music with Disney characters, but I was just a lowly Cast Member from Attractions and Merchandise - what did I know? What did the entertainment people know? This is one of the reasons that Michael Eisner should never be allowed to make a creative decisions.

The big problem was the configuration of the floats/rolling stages. They kept changing them right up until the last minute. They had to have small spot lights placed on them to highlight the performers, but the locations kept moving. There were also steps on the platforms and the choreography kept changing. The last month before the show opened, my husband would be gone all night rehearsing because they were changing it on a nearly daily basis. Nothing was set in concrete because of configuration changes, and then later, they had to change choreography to make up for all the injuries.

That was the big bugaboo. Because of the constant changes, it was hard to remember what was where. And consider the size of the feet on the character costumes and the fact that you can't always have a clear view through the head. My husband was in chipmonk, and those furry things are heavy enough as it is. They were supposed to be in their jammies - well, in order for something to look like pajamas and hold up to the demands of all the dancing and laundering - the pajamas that went over the character costumes were made of heavy, thick velour - think of your favorite hoodie. Heat stroke for some of the performers. Anyway, they were in hot, heavy costumes that they couldn't see out of, the stuff around their feet that they had a hard time seeing anyway was moved around a lot, so a lot of people were tripping and falling and breaking or spraining things. There were daily ambulance runs. It got to where they barely had a minumum number of performers to send out on each of the four floats because they'd had so many injuries.

It was an o.k. show. Not as fabulous as the Electrical Parade. The Baroque Hoedown music was just a lot livlier and more fun to listen to. The performers worked their asses off. It was just a bad concept.

What made everyone steam was that after management decided it was a big failure, Eisner ordered the floats destroyed. They had the latest technology for the light show part of the show, and they cost a fortune - the company wasted $8 million dollars on that turkey. After they had put out all this publicity that it was supposed to be bigger and better than the Electrical Parade.

Eisner was also the jerk who wanted Pomp and Circumstance as the Parade music for the 45th anniversary parade (because his son had just graduated and he liked the music - please). That music is fine for ceremonials, but it is not fit for a lively, Disney style parade and it left people scratching their heads saying WTF? Another example of why Eisner shouldn't make creative decisions - he is not a creative person. He was just a good guesser at ABC and Paramount.

Anyway, that's all the griping that went around our household. I'm sure others have more to say.



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Post by IndyandMarion » Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:17 pm

I've never seen Light Magic myself. Actually never been to DL before. But from what I've heard, NO ONE liked the parade.

I've never seen a video myself but I like the music for it. (Then again Im one who thinks the music is the key to the parade/movie).

Which could account for Tapestry of Dreams being one of the better parades (I think I make up the last part of the like .1% of the people that actually liked ToD).

If anyone has a file of the LM parade, could you send it to me please? (E-mail is in my profile)


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