"How Long Is The Wait?"

aliceindisguse · Post by **aliceindisguse** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:56 am

they have excuses for everything, but My fellow routies and I generally have answers for most if not all of them. The guests usually give up after 5 mins or at least once they realize their not getting anywhere.

Main Streeter · Post by **Main Streeter** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:49 am

aliceindisguse wrote:They all just think we go out of our way to give them a hard time especially when they have to many people in their groups and we send them away.... " but they let us all on everywhere else."

Cookie cutter phrase used by EVERY incompetent who ever passed under the burm

Am not in Attractions, feel sorry for CMs who take this BS all day & night! These whiners will stop any CM just to complain. Have been yelled at by many over this issue. Do I look like I can help you :?: I'm not even near the attraction you were turned away from. Does this broom look like a magic wand which will sweep you quickly into any attraction you wish upon? If I had a dime for each time.......never mind. I could become vulgar.

Stduck · Post by **Stduck** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:17 am

Yeah I hear you all in your rants about wheelchair parties. The magic number is 6! Don't know where they came up with it, but its 6. Now a smart guest would do this:

Grandma Betty needs a wheelchair, but there are 8 of us all together. We can rent a 2nd wheelchair for Grandpa Joe (who doesn't really need one but he'll get tired later and it will help extend Joe's fun) and TADA! We can now do up to 12 people. Problem solved.

Now I know we get a lot of wheel chair abuse, but come people think before you enter the park...oh wait how can you think if you left your brain at the gate.

aliceindisguse · Post by **aliceindisguse** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:35 pm

The only problem with that is on small rides like the classics we can only have one person in a wheelchair on the attraction at a time. So the group still gets pissed because some of their group has to wait the (at most) 5 mins for the other wheelchair person to get off. And it's not as if they care that it's a fire hazard for us to put more than one on. They just tell us that they could walk themselves off. :x

Stduck · Post by **Stduck** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:57 pm

aliceindisguse wrote:The only problem with that is on small rides like the classics we can only have one person in a wheelchair on the attraction at a time. So the group still gets pissed because some of their group has to wait the (at most) 5 mins for the other wheelchair person to get off. And it's not as if they care that it's a fire hazard for us to put more than one on. They just tell us that they could walk themselves off. :x

Same kind of with mansion. We can only have 3 wheelchairs/ECVs/service animals in the attraction at one time. During holiday is when its the worst. We take 3 in, stage 3 at the herce (sp?) and then the line for the rest of them is outside the gate. It's a 20 minute wait at the herce and a 40 minute wait from the gate. Guests get all irate, I tell them that the state of California will shut us down if we take more then 3 inside. That usually shuts them up.

PoohBunniesHutch · Post by **PoohBunniesHutch** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:09 am

Now why would anyone in their right mind order a Big Mac and a sugar laden soda! I mean, you already have a bazillion empty calories in a Big Mac, why add more?

I'm going to have to step in here on the fat ass and the ECV issue. Becuase quite frankly, your attitude shows less than compassion.

Okay, one could call me a fat ass. Its not because I am a great fan of big macs or krispy kremes. I fell flat on my ass and shattered my tail bone leading to some signigicant nerve damage and loss of muscle function. Exercise is kind of out for me and I have to schedule swimming weeks in advance since they have to help me get in and out of the pool. I do sit in my chair and lie in my bed and exercise as much as I can. Because I am an insulin dependent diabetic, my caloric intake is low and my diet very restricted. But, even so, I can easily gain and lose 20-30 pounds in a matter of days because of all the steroids I have to take. Its not fun waking up with your face looking like the man in the moon and then it take 20 minutes to get downstairs (by schooching on my butt) and 40 minutes to get upstairs.

There is no room for an ECV on Peter Pan, but my ECV is my GAC, CH won't give me one because of my ECV, but the CM won't let me on PP without my GAC. So, to get on takes a lot of manuvering. First, hubby has to make arrangements for the CM to see that I am in an ECV, then I have to get out of my ECV(my very own by the way) find something to hold onto for dear life, wait while my hubby parks the ECV out of the way, then take 20 minutes to navigate that ramp, only to find that the CM my hubby made the arrangements with has gone on break and being told that I cannot ride without a GAC, then when explaining I have an ECV be told that I cannot ride without a GAC, and so on. Then, if the CM hasn't got a hair up their butt over my not having a GAC, hopefully they won't make me wait too long to board, but usually the hair has twisted so far up the butt of the CM they take particular delight in making me wait an agonizing 20 more minutes before finally boarding me, then the 10-15 minute walk down the ramp commences and finally, I've had it! 50 minutes round trip to Anaheim and back for one ride.

Now, granted there are a whole bunch of lazy people out there who rent ECVs not because they need them, but because they think they will get special treatment. They are the rude ones. Some people in wheelchairs are skinny as all get out and some are not. Ever try losing weight by living in bed- doesn't work out real well.

But you don't know the whole story. If someone is on steroids, they will appear fat and bloated, except for their fingers and toes. Their skin will be dry and scaly and they won't sweat a lot from exertion. They eat like birds because eating anything too much will make them throw up, at least that is what it is like with me.

I love Disneyland popcorn. Have to buy a bucket every time I'm there. It takes me about six or seven days to make it through that bucket, even after my hubby eats half of it in one handful. Thank heavens for children's meals or I could never eat out, even then, you;ll know its me for all the to go containers hanging off my chair.

But, I am not lazy, I am not addicted to sweets, though I do treasure the occassional scone with devon cream, I don't supersize my meal (I don't think they do that with Happy meals) and I rarely finish any meal.

Those who are fat because they are lazy, pigs and slovenly people, I have no sympathy for, but I would never presume how someone got that way, for if you were to know me, you might assume the same things and yet, nothing would be farther from the truth.

Fluffy people, regardless of how they got that way, are still people inside. They breathe oxygen (some more than others) love, feel, hurt, share and do everything you do. They just do it fat.

Someday, you may be in a position where others may assume about you, yet their assumptions are nothing more than blind prejudices. Won't it be a shame when they say things about you that aren't true?

Its one thing to moan and groan about a guest expecting you to stock them with bottle caps to keep the alarm from sounding, but to trash a certain group for whatever reason, isnt' very mouse like, and isn't that what we are all striving for? A little mouse magic! Just a different side of the coin, that's all!

Stduck · Post by **Stduck** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:02 am

Poohbunny. You are the kind of person we love to see. I understand your plight and if you ever come visit the mansion and I'm at grounds I'll make sure you are acomidated.

The GAC is still being worked out. My cousin is legally blind and has a brain tumor, and can possibly have siesures, she also has a real hard time manuvering through the queues because of it even with 4 of us trying to help. I've fought CH about it and they have denied her a GAC (did get one finally it was like pulling teeth).

We CMs complain about people who rent DL ECVs, most people who have their own have them for a reason, whether they are ill or what not. I don't mind those people. It is the snot nosed lazy people and teens who don't need one that I want to throw into the RoA. I think Matt did the right thing in trying to prevent GAC abuse, but in cases like yours I think you should be able to get a GAC with a wheelchair stamp so that when your husband parks the ECV you can avoid the trouble. But then if we lived in a perfect world no one would need wheelchairs.

aliceindisguse · Post by **aliceindisguse** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:55 am

PoohBunniesHutch wrote:There is no room for an ECV on Peter Pan, but my ECV is my GAC, CH won't give me one because of my ECV, but the CM won't let me on PP without my GAC. So, to get on takes a lot of manuvering. First, hubby has to make arrangements for the CM to see that I am in an ECV, then I have to get out of my ECV(my very own by the way) find something to hold onto for dear life, wait while my hubby parks the ECV out of the way, then take 20 minutes to navigate that ramp, only to find that the CM my hubby made the arrangements with has gone on break and being told that I cannot ride without a GAC, then when explaining I have an ECV be told that I cannot ride without a GAC, and so on. Then, if the CM hasn't got a hair up their butt over my not having a GAC, hopefully they won't make me wait too long to board, but usually the hair has twisted so far up the butt of the CM they take particular delight in making me wait an agonizing 20 more minutes before finally boarding me, then the 10-15 minute walk down the ramp commences and finally, I've had it! 50 minutes round trip to Anaheim and back for one ride.

I apologize if this acually happened. Whoever the castmember was should be talked to. If you have the key to the ECV then that is your GAC. I know it's a pain in the but to get up the ramp at pp. I also apologize if you have to wait a long time but the CM is more than likely building a gap because Peter Pan breaks down easily (a boat sit in hold 4 to long and were dead) and when it does break down it's a big deal because we have to scrounge up 5 CMs(when theres only 2 at the attraction this can be a difficult task if no one is willing to give up their break) just to MZR and get everyone out and the people in the 30-45min line are not too happy. Just so you know next time you can just park the ECV at the bottom of our ramp behind our new nifty yellow line that we get to make people wait behind so their not all in our faces.

Main Streeter · Post by **Main Streeter** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:55 am

PoohBunniesHutch wrote:Just a different side of the coin, that's all!

PoohBunnie, your insight gives CMs an awareness most of us have never thought of nor experienced. You are an AP who contributes to the Magic & our shifts. You are also the reverse side of the coin. Seems the GAC has you between a rock & a brick wall. As Stduck aptly pointed out]

GMC · Post by **GMC** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:42 am

I feel bad when i talk to people who need GACs, and can't get them, but when you tell them that it was vastly over abused they understand, i need to go undercover and see how City Hall tells people they can't get them, i remeber being really put off by them a few years back when i tried to use the system by playing the ADD card and not being able to stand in long lines, i don't know if they saw throught it or were just being asses, but i bugged me that they essentially told me on the phone that i could walk in and get one no problem, don't even need proof, but when i walked in, and tried to get one i was denied, and told that i needed a parent with me.

In short, i tried to beat the system with my increasingly more mild case of ADD and lost. However i do have ADD, and didn't appreciate the skepticism.