Guest dies on Expedition Everest

[ktulu]

I kind of tried to follow them but couldn't navigate the crowd as fast. They knew how to get through the crowd with their supplies very quickly and get to wherever they were going fast.

They probably weren't too worried about gently pushing people out of their way ;)

[Cranbiz]

The last report that I heard was that there were only 2 AED's in AK and none at Everest. I believe the timeline (please correct me if I'm wrong) was approx 6-8 minutes for Reedy Creek to get on scene. While that's a pretty good response for AK, an AED at Everest would have begun to work (if used) within the first 2 minutes of cardiac arrest. IF it was possible for an AED to change the situation, that's the time frame it needs to be deployed.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

The thing is..knowing what happened after the fact, I dont think even an AED would have helped... But I remember that when giving CPR, you continue as long as possible!

[Big Wallaby]

:hysteria: None taken, my friend.

I find another good way to silence the critics from our end is to simply not listen to and/or read them. I hate all the board X's out there at times like this with their ridiculous analysis and fake-ass "expert" opinions from people who know f*ck-all about the situation. [Although I'm still proud of Grumpy, Wallaby, and myself for making a correct diagnosis without ever actually seeing the patient! That should qualify us to be senators! :twisted: ]

Sure, let's be senators. I prefer being a Cast Member, actually. Wouldn't that be strange, going to Disney World, you get on KSR, and there is your State Senator, driving you around. You'd have that truck stopped at Cheers every time while people left, waiting to get their autographs.

Was there no AED there? Nothing I've read has said if it did or not. If there is one then maybe in the panic of the moment the CMs forgot about it.

I agree with Cranbiz about how it sounds here, but on an interesting side note, it was in Eyes and Ears today (or was it yesterday) that they are deploying 200 new AED's around property. I don't think they would have had time from this incident to yesterday to change 58,000 copies of E&E.

There should be an AED at pretty much every attraction, not just the thrill rides. In places like Fantasyland where a number of attractions are very close together then have one near the entrance of every couple attractions. An AED could be needed anywhere at anytime so should be available nearby no matter where you are at.

I agree with this.

AEDs should also be standard equipment on the buses, monorails, and boats. Putting them on the Safari trucks would also be a good idea as access to those trucks in an emergency is somewhat limited.

I disagree with putting the AED on the Safari truck for one basic reason: It might be too difficult to clear that bench so that no one is touching the victim. Those trucks are already packed, and laying the person down to start CPR would be difficult enough. To then add an electric current to that mix, you are risking more lives than the fibrillation victim.

Also, I'm betting the paramedics arrived very fast. My understanding is that there are paramedics on standby in all of the parks and DTD at all times during operating hours who drive what are essentially souped-up golf carts full of all kinds of medical supplies and that they arrive very, very quickly after being dispatched. I remember back at the end of either 2000 or 2001 I was walking near Splash and Big Thunder when I saw two paramedics pushing a gurney with medical supplies on it came up the hill that goes down and under the train station and disappeared through the crowd fast. I kind of tried to follow them but couldn't navigate the crowd as fast. They knew how to get through the crowd with their supplies very quickly and get to wherever they were going fast.

Basically, this is true. Actually, the fire stations are right at the edge of most of the parks. The one for DTD is the farthest away from its closest area, and that's about one mile. They do have the golf cart ones that can almost go anywhere, they even have one at the Magic Kingdom right under Main Street, ready to go. Shorty, if you saw the paramedics go under the train station, there wasn't much more to see, except which door to backstage they went through. They make it their business to understand every nook and cranny of the park closest to their station. In fact, I doubt dispatchers have to tell paramedics any more than "Saratoga Springs, Room 1234".

[Shorty82]

I agree with Cranbiz about how it sounds here, but on an interesting side note, it was in Eyes and Ears today (or was it yesterday) that they are deploying 200 new AED's around property. I don't think they would have had time from this incident to yesterday to change 58,000 copies of E&E.

Glad to hear that.

I disagree with putting the AED on the Safari truck for one basic reason: It might be too difficult to clear that bench so that no one is touching the victim. Those trucks are already packed, and laying the person down to start CPR would be difficult enough. To then add an electric current to that mix, you are risking more lives than the fibrillation victim.

Very good point, I didn't even think of that.

Basically, this is true. Actually, the fire stations are right at the edge of most of the parks. The one for DTD is the farthest away from its closest area, and that's about one mile. They do have the golf cart ones that can almost go anywhere, they even have one at the Magic Kingdom right under Main Street, ready to go. Shorty, if you saw the paramedics go under the train station, there wasn't much more to see, except which door to backstage they went through. They make it their business to understand every nook and cranny of the park closest to their station. In fact, I doubt dispatchers have to tell paramedics any more than "Saratoga Springs, Room 1234".

I saw them coming from offstage heading to an emergency. They came up the hill that goes down beneath the Frontierland Station and booked it through the crowd in the direction of bridge that goes by the front of Splash. Where they were headed I have no idea

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Glad to hear that.



Very good point, I didn't even think of that.



I saw them coming from offstage heading to an emergency. They came up the hill that goes down beneath the Frontierland Station and booked it through the crowd in the direction of bridge that goes by the front of Splash. Where they were headed I have no idea

Probably an SG trying to get HOL pass by faking a accident? (sorry, getting a little jaded!)

[CMGUY89]

Also, I'm betting the paramedics arrived very fast. My understanding is that there are paramedics on standby in all of the parks and DTD at all times during operating hours who drive what are essentially souped-up golf carts full of all kinds of medical supplies and that they arrive very, very quickly after being dispatched...They knew how to get through the crowd with their supplies very quickly and get to wherever they were going fast.

Yeah, Reedy Creek does an awesome job. Alpha-units can get to you in less than five minutes usually. It's very rare you will see one driven onstage, unless it is a major emergency. It may sound bad but we try to get the guest offstage as fast as possible. This isn't so much to protect our image, but more to protect the guests privacy. Things can happen very quickly in medical emergencies and we like to protect the guest from public exposure/rubberneckers. I do remember one time I saw a guest on a stretcher, with her was a little girl all by herself. She was very upset and an outstanding GR CM came over and comforted the little girl with a Mickey doll. He sat with the girl for a long time. I was really impressed by this simple act of compassion and really wanted to compliment him, but I didn't want to interrupt. Also both signal 25's we had at the Land this summer were answered by Reedy Creek Fire in about 5 minutes. They again did an awesome job in making sure everything was ok quickly and allowing us to re-enter the building. I love RC!!!

[Big Wallaby]

Signal 25's at the Land? That coulda been bad!

[mechurchlady]

Signal 25's at the Land? That coulda been bad!

I would be the SG standing there say "She ate at the Land and died"
"OMG Junior you see what happens when you eat the plants here, Junior, omg, tell me you did not eat the plants"

I was at DL's New Orleans Square when two ladies went down because of heat. SGs can drop like flies anywhere but at the first aid center it seems.

Do they recycle the dead guests at the Land?

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

I would be the SG standing there say "She ate at the Land and died"
"OMG Junior you see what happens when you eat the plants here, Junior, omg, tell me you did not eat the plants"

I was at DL's New Orleans Square when two ladies went down because of heat. SGs can drop like flies anywhere but at the first aid center it seems.

Do they recycle the dead guests at the Land?

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