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Re: Was it me?

Post by DisneyMom » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:22 am

BRWombat wrote:This is true only when the parents are idiots -- which unfortunately is becoming more and more common... :mad:
I agree entirely. The problem now is that kids know that Nobody will say anything most of the time because the parents either don't care or will actually (verbally) attack the person who does say something.This is soooooo different
from when I was a kid and knew if I misbehaved there would be hell to pay, and I also knew the neighbors would be at the front door if I ever did anything wrong....my butt was spanked anytime I did the wrong thing, and I didn't dare talk back.
Even with this, I still did the wrong things sometimes, but blatantly...I wouldn't dare.


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Re: Was it me?

Post by Big Wallaby » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:27 am

BRWombat wrote:This is true only when the parents are idiots -- which unfortunately is becoming more and more common... :mad:
If I have a friend that is a parent of a child the same age as mine and I know they're not going to put up with crap, then I would want my kids to spend time with them, just to see that it's not with Mom and Dad that they don't get away with growing up into idiots.

My view of a "village" is different than hers, too. Mine includes members of a church that my family is members of (that I trust), the pastors that my family gets close to and a short list of people I know and trust. Her "village" includes the gubment, schools, etc.


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Re: Was it me?

Post by BRWombat » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:39 am

Big Wallaby wrote:...My view of a "village" is different than hers, too. Mine includes members of a church that my family is members of (that I trust), the pastors that my family gets close to and a short list of people I know and trust. Her "village" includes the gubment, schools, etc.
Couldn't agree more.


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Re: Was it me?

Post by ktulu » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:50 am

As one of my favorite comedians said, "I'd rather be spanking you at six than looking for a bail bonds man at sixteen."


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Re: Was it me?

Post by Kwahati » Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:12 am

Big Wallaby wrote:My view of a "village" is different than hers, too. Mine includes members of a church that my family is members of (that I trust), the pastors that my family gets close to and a short list of people I know and trust. Her "village" includes the gubment, schools, etc.
I have to disagree with you, slightly, BW and BRW... Children spend a large percentage of their time at schools and the value of caring teachers should not be downplayed. I know that some of my biggest influences were football coaches, debate coaches, English and drama teachers and, I'm sure, others I'm forgetting to mention now. I'm not saying you should expect a school to raise your kids for you but they definitely play a role in that process. Further, while I wouldn't trust George W. to raise a child (you saw what happened to his little alcoholic angels...to be fair, if my father started an unjust war which killed hundreds of thousands of innocents, I'd hit the sauce pretty hard too.) I do think some aspects of the government are important in teaching children how to behave. Specifically, here, I'm thinking of community oriented policing. If the cops get out there and actually meet and build a rapport with the kids, then kids have less trouble going to a cop to say "Hey, little Johnny from down the street stole his grandpa's AK-47 and is on his way to the school." If there's no trust there, that conversation is less likely to happen. Further, that rapport at an early age also breeds a respect for authority that is lacking in so many children today.

At my elementary school, we had the DARE program and, while I don't believe it helps keep kids off drugs, it did get me acquainted with the local police in a positive manner. Further, the police would encourage us to stop by the local sub-station after school. They'd ask us trivia questions or questions about what we were doing in school, and would essentially reward us for positive interactions by giving us special football cards of the Seattle Seahawks. It made for a very positive atmosphere and allows any further interactions people have with cops to be more respectful and positive as well.

The current administration is really good with self-fulfilling prophecies. They like to talk about how bad the government is at doing anything for the common good, that way, whenever they half-ass anything (think: no child left behind) they can say "see! we told you the government isn't any good at this!" Just because they are undermining institutions which used to be positive influences during a child's formative years, doesn't mean those institutions can't be positive again. The situation can be turned around! (To paraphrase Al Franken: I love my country with an adult kind of love. A kind of love where I can see some of the flaws, and I love it enough to want to help make it better.)


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Re: Was it me?

Post by Randy B » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:18 am

GRUMPY PIRATE wrote:Don't forget, A shot of RUM will fix anything!!!
Either a shot of Rum from the bottle or a shot of Rum WITH the bottle (on the top of the offenders head). One way or the other the problem is solved.

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Re: Was it me?

Post by Princess Susi » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:49 am

DisneyMom wrote:I agree entirely. The problem now is that kids know that Nobody will say anything most of the time because the parents either don't care or will actually (verbally) attack the person who does say something.This is soooooo different
from when I was a kid and knew if I misbehaved there would be hell to pay, and I also knew the neighbors would be at the front door if I ever did anything wrong....my butt was spanked anytime I did the wrong thing, and I didn't dare talk back.
Even with this, I still did the wrong things sometimes, but blatantly...I wouldn't dare.
And some places don't even allow spanking anymore...they call it child abuse! I got spanked and look at me, I like it :D: ! :flasher: JUST KIDDING! I am not even close to looking like that,anymore, anyway lol...

Spanking is *out of style* now and look at the kids are turning out to be without it! I would NEVER condone child abuse or beating, but a spanking like I got, (my dad had a yardstick with hole in it so it stung! and he used a belt a few times, but we did deserve it!) was not being beaten or abused. I KNEW NEVER to do whatever it was I did again. I think it is very fine line and people are afraid to spank their kid. The line between spanking and beating is very fuzzy and it is something we have to watch for. Hell, if you are caught spanking your kid in a Walmart, someone might just call the police for abuse!
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Re: Was it me?

Post by Big Wallaby » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:32 pm

My brother tried that once. My parents spanked him, he called 911. Police came, asked my dad to fully demonstrated what he had done (with my mom and me as witnesses), then asked what my brother had done. My brother then received a tongue-lashing from the officer, telling him he deserved it.

Shut my brother right up.


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Re: Was it me?

Post by hobie16 » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:29 pm

Big Wallaby wrote:My brother tried that once. My parents spanked him, he called 911. Police came, asked my dad to fully demonstrated what he had done (with my mom and me as witnesses), then asked what my brother had done. My brother then received a tongue-lashing from the officer, telling him he deserved it.

Shut my brother right up.
My oldest kid came home from school and announced all the kids had been given a 800 number to call in case they were ever abused at home. I looked her in the eye and said, "You'll never make it to the phone." Thus ended the kid controlling the parents gambit.


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Re: Was it me?

Post by ktulu » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:34 pm

Spanking, I'm not talking about a beating your kid or being evil, I'm talking about a good spank on the butt, what did you think your butt was invented for.


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