Diseased Children...Ugh!!

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Re: Diseased Children...Ugh!!

Post by inkstainedpsyche » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:49 pm

Wizard69 wrote:My Ralphs has the wipes inside the store. Once you get a cart inside, the wipe dispenser is next to the carts.
They just had a story on shopping carts and germs last night on my local news. http://www.komotv.com/news/5819736.html

I can't say that I've seen the wipes where I shop at the local Safeway. But I do carry hand sanitizer in my purse.



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Re: Diseased Children...Ugh!!

Post by The Canuck » Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:01 am

EpcotGolfer wrote:Every month or so it seems like we get a family to see Mickey in Toontown with a child that has chicken pox or something like that. This of course forces the room to then close and everything to be decontaminated, including the Boss. Its an inconvience to a lot of people at best, and downright sinister at worst (lots of cast members haven't had chicken pox, and even more kids that are coming to see Mickey haven't). If you have a highly contageous kid and you bring them to a place where thousands of other people are going to come in contact with them, you cross the line from being a stupid guest to an evil guest.
Sorry but this post crosses the line a bit with me. Maybe it's out of the guests control! When I was 5 (and in Kindergarten) I cought the chicken pox from a classmate shortly before heading out for my first trip to Disneyland. Lo and behold they didn't appear until AFTER we had arrived. What are we suposted to do, crush the dreams of a 5 year old and my 3 year old (at the time) brother becuase my chicken pox happened to appear in the middle of a rare trip to the USA from Canada?

Now at Mission Space we had 2 hand sanitiser stations I can think of, as well as multiple sinks, plus I know a few full timers that always had a little bottle on them


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Re: Diseased Children...Ugh!!

Post by mechurchlady » Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:34 am

Yes you crush the dreams of your kids if they get sick after they arrive at the park. What is a child with a low immune system comes in contact with a kid with chicken pox? Is it fair to other kids that they miss school and parents miss work?

People who arrive at the park and then find out they are sick should stay out of the public areas. While many people can put up with a cold, there are people who could die from contact with the flu and chicken pox.

A CM worked with kids a lot and the kids would take the pin back of with their teeth. She got very ill and ended up in the hospital. Germs are everywhere but please keep as many to yourself as possible


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Re: Diseased Children...Ugh!!

Post by The Canuck » Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:53 am

Well I understand your post completely and that yes there are risks with taking a sick kid to the parks, there are also times where a vacation to a place like Disneyland is a once in a lifetime opportunity for a family. You can't expect them to not want to try to make the most of it at the same time.

Not everyone can be an annual pass holder or can visit the parks whenever they wish. I'm thankful I've been blessed enough to visit the parks often (but not as often as I'd like).

Please note that this isn't a attack towards you Churchy, but I know a lot of people (CMs included I know I was caught up in the mentality once or twice), where something like somoene took flash photography on a dark ride annoys people. Oh well they can ride it again... but what if they can't? What if that one flash picture someone took, ruined the effect for someones only ride through something like the haunted mansion.

Yes people are stupid, yes people are me centric, but everything everyone does can't please everyone. First (and possibly only) family trip to Disneyland, do you waste the time and money to coop yourselfes up in a hotel room, or do you take a day off, get the drugs, and try to make the best of it?

Maybe my opinion isn't the popular one, but everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt, and sometimes we need to think outside the box with situations and when we see someone with something like chicken pox in the park, instead of thinking they should have stayed home, think thats too bad this had to happen on their trip, because that might be the only time those kids get to experience the magic of Disney (or wherever else they may be).

ANd I understand people can die from the contact, but they have to cope with it every day of their lives, how should that change because they are going to Disneyland. It's not like they can keep the world germ free around them at all times. As insensitive as that may come across, I'm sure they are fully aware of what they need to keep their eyes open with becuase a supermarket is no more sanitary than a theme park when it comes to germs.

Oh and it's easy for us all to say ruin your vacation but don't ruin mine. I've heard it many times before especially when it comes to refirbishments. Why does the ride have to be closed druing my vacation?

Again Churchy this isn't aimed towards you, I'm just saying as much as I can now to avoid more debates later.


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Re: Diseased Children...Ugh!!

Post by mechurchlady » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:04 am

Have you ever spent a month coughing, raw and sore face, cannot sleep, headaches and chest pains from the coughing? One cold takes me a month to get over. I will stand firmly on the fact that people with contagious diseases should not be in public areas if they can help it. I stand by the facts put down by the government and health groups. I stand by the fact that a simple illness can be life threatening for people with low immune systems.

I not saying one word as I am rather ill and broken hearted tired right now. I dont have the strength to dig up all the medical evidence, reports and sites to prove what I am saying.

The happiness of one person or family should not outweigh the health of other people.


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Re: Diseased Children...Ugh!!

Post by The Canuck » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:30 am

Well as my last (and much shorter) post of the night I wanted to point this out.

Taken from - http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/fac ... kenpox.htm

(about Chicken Pox)
"The infectious period lasts from about three days before the rash appears until all the blisters have formed scabs.

The incubation period between being infected with chickenpox until the disease breaks out and symptoms appear is 10 to 20 days."

Thus if a child is to break out in the middle of their vacation, how many other people came in contact with them while they were infectious, but before they were "visably" sick. I mean a child could have a 2 day romp in the parks, be infected with Chicken Pox and spread it around and no one would know. imo this is more dangerous then being visably ill with Chicken Pox (because at least you have a visual warning then). I mean I was probably contagious on my 3-4 hour flight to California and no one knew, becuase I didn't have any symptoms yet. I'd say a flight with someone who's sick is more dangerous than a theme park visit yet no one knew anything on that plane.

Point I'm trying to make is, we all go out in public almost daily, and you never know who you're going to come in contact with that could make you sick (they might not even know they are sick). You could even come across someone with chicken pox who has past the infection period yet feel in greater danger around them than another child who could be contagious with no visable symptoms. It's easy for us to say if you're sick stay home, but it just can't be that simple. Also what may be a sore throat for me, could be a serious cold for others. I can't know how everyone is going to react to a small cough I have.

As they say on commercials up here (and online http://www.dobugsneeddrugs.org/). Not all bugs need drugs, wash your hands often to prevent the spread of viruses. If everyone did this, there would be far less instances of people getting sick as often as we do.

Again Churchy this isn't aimed at you or any specific ailments you have. I do know what it's like to be insanely sick for a prolonged period of time (but mine had to do with a misdiagnosis).

I just think it's pretty unrealistic to expect to go to a public place (especially a popular tourist destination) and not expect to be in contact with something contagious. Personally theres a reason I try not to touch handrails or poles in queues or on things such as the monorail. you just never know what's hit them.

This turned into a much longer post than I expected, but I will close in saying it is unfortunate that some of us have weaker and stronger immune systems, and for every one responsible person who will avoid crowded areas when ill, there are hundreds more entering that same place. We also at the same time can't isolate everyone who does get ill especially when it's not something thats serious to a majority of the public. Imagine a world where everyone who caught the common cold had to be isolated. The world would slow down due to the lack of workers in many positions.

I'm not saying what you have to say is wrong in anyway, but I know of a few cases where people need to do what they're doing despite their illness. I know when I first started my ICP program at Disney World I developed a cough, I took drugs and was over it in a few days but I couldn't call in sick. If I did I would have missed my training, and thus I wouldn't have been able to work. As a result I wouldn't have been able to pay my rent. Likely I would have been sent home. There really was no option at the time. All I did was to make sure I washed my hands often (after every cough) to try to avoid spreading it to coworkers and guests.

I do want to say I don't believe either of us are wrong in our opinions, and I also don't think we either can be classified as the ideal solution, it would be nice if there was someway the world could agree on a happy medium for situations like this, and unfortunatly there's way to many cultures and belifes in this world for this to happen. Just because country A adopts some kind of policy that is agreed upon, dosn't mean someone visiting across the world from country B will know and or agree with it.

But thats it for me this evening, since I need to be up for work in the morning.

Oh and while I agree that the happiness of one person or family should not outweigh the health of other people. Can't we agree that the health of other people cannot possibly control everyone else's daily lives? It's impossible to know (sometimes) if someone is sick, and/or if someone has a weaker immune system so we can't always avoid crowded area's if contageous or avoid sickness if we're suspectable.


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Re: Diseased Children...Ugh!!

Post by LittleDollClaudia » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:28 am

I do agree with you, Canuck. A lot of times you don't realize you are sick or becoming ill until days later. Also, if everyone stayed home everytime they were sick, we would be a country of hermits and businesses would ALWAYS be closed. Sometimes, you have to just medicate yourself up and get whatever needs to be done done. I remember when I was a CM, you missed too many days from sick days, you would get your ass tossed out. So lots of vitamins and juice for me.

I am not a fan of this but if I had paid xxx amount of dollars for a trip and came down with a cold or whatnot just before my vacation, I would NOT cancel it. I would just limit my activities. I'm sorry if that makes me a jerk. But there's a fine line there, you know?


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Re: Diseased Children...Ugh!!

Post by The Canuck » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:31 pm

Yup and at WDW now EVERY sick day counts as one point on your record card. I never got one on my ICP (wanted to keep my record card clean so I could come back as a cultural rep), but I believe it's 3 points = 1 repremend. and after about 3 repremends thats it. Game Over.

I'm sure someone can correct me, becuase I didn't pay much attention to it since it didn't effect me directly.


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Re: Diseased Children...Ugh!!

Post by darph nader » Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:06 am

100 yrs ago,when we were flying from Detroit to LA,my brother had the 'shingles'. Everyone around us was looking at him really weird,my mom spent the first 1/2 hr of the flight explaining it to the nearby passangers,"No it's not contagious".



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Re: Diseased Children...Ugh!!

Post by Syndrome » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:58 pm

I will make a confession: I actually visited WDW with chicken pox. I was at that scabbed-over stage, so I wasn't contageous, but my photos from that trip are really gross. It was actually a vendetta to come...my husband and I had been married a couple of years, and I was determined to drag him to WDW (mainly to get the control chip implanted...which, by the way, went quite well once I finally got him there...now he's more of a fanatic than I am). We had our trip set up, and then our freakin' house was detroyed by a flood!!! We had to move out for three months while it was gutted/repaired, so financially a vacation wasn't gonna happen. The next year, I tried again, and I swore that NOTHING, repeat NOTHING, was going to keep me from going. I forgot that God has a wicked sense of humor...He struck me down with chicken pox and the age of 30+ right before the trip!!! Arghhhh!!! When I found out that I wouldn't be spreading it around if I went, I decided to go anyway. I'm sure the people around me were wondering if I was a walking germ factory tho'.



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