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Secruity at Knott's Berry Farm
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I used to work at Knott's, and had a guest and her three goons attack me, just because I said the park was closed and that the Calico Railroad was closed for the night. I suffered a sprained right arm and was on reduced duty for six weeks. Got workman's comp for it though. Yes, I filed a police report--Buena Park police were there because it was summer--and had them arrested. Thing is, I never could seem to get a copy of the police report. I went down there, and I called trying to get ahold of the detective, and emailed them a couple of times--no response. I wonder if they're refusing to give me my copy of the police report because Knott's doesn't want me going after the perps or the park. I wouldn't put something like that past them. They are totally corrupt in every way.
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I was told by an attorney-not Wombat ;) -that if you simply FILE a small claims case,you can have the report subpoenaed(sp?) I guess you can just fill out the paperwork yourself. You can then drop the case if you wish.felinefan wrote:I used to work at Knott's, and had a guest and her three goons attack me, just because I said the park was closed and that the Calico Railroad was closed for the night. I suffered a sprained right arm and was on reduced duty for six weeks. Got workman's comp for it though. Yes, I filed a police report--Buena Park police were there because it was summer--and had them arrested. Thing is, I never could seem to get a copy of the police report. I went down there, and I called trying to get ahold of the detective, and emailed them a couple of times--no response. I wonder if they're refusing to give me my copy of the police report because Knott's doesn't want me going after the perps or the park. I wouldn't put something like that past them. They are totally corrupt in every way.
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That is terrible, Knotts not standing behind it's employees. That sucks! They should be held to the fire for that, feline fan. That is criminal.
Gad, what has happened to the Knott's Berry Farm that used to be there. Gangsd and violence and poor treatment of the employees...? The Knott family surely cannot be involved in this. That doe not sound like they own the Park anymore. I don't know much about the history of the Park. I will have to go look it up now.... The old man must be spinning for what happened to his farm/Park. So sad..... :(
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Gad, what has happened to the Knott's Berry Farm that used to be there. Gangsd and violence and poor treatment of the employees...? The Knott family surely cannot be involved in this. That doe not sound like they own the Park anymore. I don't know much about the history of the Park. I will have to go look it up now.... The old man must be spinning for what happened to his farm/Park. So sad..... :(
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Okay I found it: This is interesting if only because Boysenberries are my very favorite berry of all! I diod not know the history of that berry. Cool. So Cedar's owns it...makes total sense...But waht a legacy of a Park!
"Walter and Cordelia Knott - Founders of Knott's Berry Farm
The year was 1920 when Walter and Cordelia Knott moved to the then-sleepy community of Buena Park, Calif. to farm 20 acres of rented land. Today, that land is part of 160-acre Knott's Berry Farm, America's first theme park and the 12th most-visited amusement park in the country. And, while the Knott Family no longer owns the venerable attraction, the Knott spirit of hard work and down-home hospitality lives on in new owner Cedar Fair, L.P., who acquired Knott's Berry Farm in December 1997.
The Knotts' first winter on the Farm was unseasonably cold and much of their first crop was ruined by frost. But relying on his ability to make the most of what he had, Walter initiated his practice of selling directly to grocers, thus eliminating costly middlemen, and was able to realize a small profit.
Walter's keen eye for sound enterprise and his dogged determination to succeed were attributes which became evident early in his boyhood years and remained solid through his life and career. His father died when he was six and by the time he was nine, Walter was raising vegetables on vacant lots, selling the produce in the morning before school and delivering newspapers in the evenings to help supplement the family income.
In 1927, Knott bought ten acres of land. The Depression hit a year later and land prices dropped. While maintaining the original payments, Walter bought an additional ten acres at the lower price and spent the last of the family's savings to build an adobe structure that became the Farm's first permanent building.
Ready for occupancy in 1928, the building was 80 feet long and housed a tea-room, berry market and nursery where berry plants were sold. By now, the Knotts had four children - son Russell and daughters Virginia, Toni and Marion - and, working together, they formed a family bond that prevailed throughout the years.
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"Walter and Cordelia Knott - Founders of Knott's Berry Farm
The year was 1920 when Walter and Cordelia Knott moved to the then-sleepy community of Buena Park, Calif. to farm 20 acres of rented land. Today, that land is part of 160-acre Knott's Berry Farm, America's first theme park and the 12th most-visited amusement park in the country. And, while the Knott Family no longer owns the venerable attraction, the Knott spirit of hard work and down-home hospitality lives on in new owner Cedar Fair, L.P., who acquired Knott's Berry Farm in December 1997.
The Knotts' first winter on the Farm was unseasonably cold and much of their first crop was ruined by frost. But relying on his ability to make the most of what he had, Walter initiated his practice of selling directly to grocers, thus eliminating costly middlemen, and was able to realize a small profit.
Walter's keen eye for sound enterprise and his dogged determination to succeed were attributes which became evident early in his boyhood years and remained solid through his life and career. His father died when he was six and by the time he was nine, Walter was raising vegetables on vacant lots, selling the produce in the morning before school and delivering newspapers in the evenings to help supplement the family income.
In 1927, Knott bought ten acres of land. The Depression hit a year later and land prices dropped. While maintaining the original payments, Walter bought an additional ten acres at the lower price and spent the last of the family's savings to build an adobe structure that became the Farm's first permanent building.
Ready for occupancy in 1928, the building was 80 feet long and housed a tea-room, berry market and nursery where berry plants were sold. By now, the Knotts had four children - son Russell and daughters Virginia, Toni and Marion - and, working together, they formed a family bond that prevailed throughout the years.
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It was not until the 1930s that Walter became associated with the "boysenberry" which would became the family trademark. Nearby, Anaheim Parks Superintendent Rudolph Boysen had experimented with a new strain of berry but the plants kept dying on the vine. Walter took the scraggly plants, nurtured them to health and named the new berry - a cross between a loganberry, red raspberry and blackberry - after its originator. Today, all boysenberries in the world can trace their roots to Knott's Berry Farm.
As another means of staving off Depression hardships, Cordelia began selling jams and jellies made from Walter's berries. These were soon followed by home-baked pies, hot biscuits and sandwiches. Then, on a night in June 1934, Cordelia served eight fried chicken dinners on her wedding china - for the all-inclusive price of 65 cents each - and the world's largest chicken dinner restaurant was born. Today, the Chicken Dinner Restaurant seats more than 900 guests at a time, serves more than 1. 5 million guests each year, and is the largest full-service restaurant that serves chicken as its main course.
The success of the chicken dinners was immediate and by 1940 the restaurant was serving as many as 4,000 dinners on Sunday evenings. To give waiting customers something to do and to pay homage to the pioneering spirit of his grandparents and his love of the Old West, Walter developed Ghost Town, eventually the first of Knott's Berry Farm's six themed areas.
The first structure was the Gold Trails Hotel, which had originally been constructed in Prescott, Ariz. in 1868. Adhering to authenticity, Walter brought in other buildings from deserted ghost towns and Knott's Ghost Town as it exists today emerged. Additions were made as the years passed.
In the 1960s, the Calico Mine Ride and Timber Mountain Log Ride were added and Knott's built its second themed area: Fiesta Village, a tribute to California's early Spanish heritage. The third themed area opened in 1975 - Roaring 20s (rethemed in 1996 into The Boardwalk) - featuring the Corkscrew, the world's first looping coaster.
In 1983, Knott's debuted a first in the amusement park industry with its six-acre Camp Snoopy, the world's first theme park "land" designed specifically for kids. Wild Water Wilderness, a four-acre outdoor river wilderness area featuring the whitewater rafting ride Bigfoot Rapids, was added in 1988, followed by Indian Trails in 1993.
It was also the Knotts' decision to build the country's only brick-by-brick replica of Independence Hall, complete with an exact replica of the Liberty Bell, as a free-admission educational resources for Farm guests and Orange County residents.
Cordelia Knott died in 1974 at the age of 84 and Walter Knott continued to live on the Farm he loved until his death in 1981 - a week before his 92nd birthday. The Knott Family maintained operation of Knott's Berry Farm until its friendly acquisition by Cedar Fair, L.P. in December 1997.
In keeping with Walter and Cordelia's original goals, Knott's Berry Farm continues to combine quality, wholesome family entertainment with nostalgia and history. Cedar Fair is currently expanding Knott's Berry Farm with the most new rides, shows and attractions in the park's history, while maintaining those simpler features that continue to make it "The Theme Park Californians Call Home®."
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As another means of staving off Depression hardships, Cordelia began selling jams and jellies made from Walter's berries. These were soon followed by home-baked pies, hot biscuits and sandwiches. Then, on a night in June 1934, Cordelia served eight fried chicken dinners on her wedding china - for the all-inclusive price of 65 cents each - and the world's largest chicken dinner restaurant was born. Today, the Chicken Dinner Restaurant seats more than 900 guests at a time, serves more than 1. 5 million guests each year, and is the largest full-service restaurant that serves chicken as its main course.
The success of the chicken dinners was immediate and by 1940 the restaurant was serving as many as 4,000 dinners on Sunday evenings. To give waiting customers something to do and to pay homage to the pioneering spirit of his grandparents and his love of the Old West, Walter developed Ghost Town, eventually the first of Knott's Berry Farm's six themed areas.
The first structure was the Gold Trails Hotel, which had originally been constructed in Prescott, Ariz. in 1868. Adhering to authenticity, Walter brought in other buildings from deserted ghost towns and Knott's Ghost Town as it exists today emerged. Additions were made as the years passed.
In the 1960s, the Calico Mine Ride and Timber Mountain Log Ride were added and Knott's built its second themed area: Fiesta Village, a tribute to California's early Spanish heritage. The third themed area opened in 1975 - Roaring 20s (rethemed in 1996 into The Boardwalk) - featuring the Corkscrew, the world's first looping coaster.
In 1983, Knott's debuted a first in the amusement park industry with its six-acre Camp Snoopy, the world's first theme park "land" designed specifically for kids. Wild Water Wilderness, a four-acre outdoor river wilderness area featuring the whitewater rafting ride Bigfoot Rapids, was added in 1988, followed by Indian Trails in 1993.
It was also the Knotts' decision to build the country's only brick-by-brick replica of Independence Hall, complete with an exact replica of the Liberty Bell, as a free-admission educational resources for Farm guests and Orange County residents.
Cordelia Knott died in 1974 at the age of 84 and Walter Knott continued to live on the Farm he loved until his death in 1981 - a week before his 92nd birthday. The Knott Family maintained operation of Knott's Berry Farm until its friendly acquisition by Cedar Fair, L.P. in December 1997.
In keeping with Walter and Cordelia's original goals, Knott's Berry Farm continues to combine quality, wholesome family entertainment with nostalgia and history. Cedar Fair is currently expanding Knott's Berry Farm with the most new rides, shows and attractions in the park's history, while maintaining those simpler features that continue to make it "The Theme Park Californians Call Home®."
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The History of Mrs. Knott's Chicken Dinner Restaurant
The restaurant's history dates back as far as 1920, when Walter and Cordelia Knott began farming 10 acres of leased land on Highway 39 in Buena Park. Way back in 1920, when the First World War was barely over, and a brand new automobile cost $350, the young farm couple had to struggle to make a living.
Desperate to make ends meet, Walter and Cordelia opened a small roadside stand where their usually fine rhubarb, asparagus and berries sold better than they had hoped. Business was so good that Cordelia added hot biscuits and homemade preserves to fare offered customers at the roadside stand. Eventually, Cordelia moved her biscuit and jam business into an adjacent tea room.
Before long, folks began making special trips to sample the fancy crops this unknown farmer was growing. As 1927 rolled around, there were always visitors at the Knott's place, and they made sure to stop at the tiny tea room for a lunch of Cordelia's hot biscuits and berry jam. It was not until the 1930s that Walter became associated with the "boysenberry" which would became the family trademark. Nearby, Anaheim Parks Superintendent Rudolph Boysen had experimented with a new strain of berry but the plants kept dying on the vine. Walter took the scraggly plants, nurtured them to health and named the new berry - a cross between a loganberry, red raspberry and blackberry - after its originator. Today, all boysenberries in the world can trace their roots to Knott's Berry Farm. Walter harvested the very first crop of Boysenberries, and they were an instant success. Cordelia decided it was time to expand her tea room, and began to cook the southern fried chicken dinners that would wake up a sleepy farm community called Buena Park and make the Knott name famous. On opening day, the restaurant served just eight, 65-cent chicken dinners on Cordelia's own wedding china.
But word of these delicious dinners grew and by the 1940's the lines at the Chicken Dinner Restaurant were so long that Walter and Cordelia felt they needed something to keep the guests entertained while they waited to get into the restaurant. The challenge of entertaining these growing crowds led Walter to create an authentic Old West Ghost Town adjacent to the restaurant. The town eventually grew into what is now the Knott's Berry Farm Theme Park.
Today, the Chicken Dinner Restaurant seats more than 900 guests at a time, serves more than 1. 5 million guests each year, and is the largest full-service restaurant in California that serves chicken as its main course.
Over the years, Mrs. Knott's Chicken Dinner Restaurant has hosted thousands of celebrities and VIPs, including: Elizabeth Taylor, Connie Stephens, Lucy Arnez, Donnie and Marie Osmond, John Wayne, Harriet Nelson, Burt Reynolds, Jane Russell, Natalie Wood, Charles Bronson, Amos and Andy, Eddie Fisher, Jonathan Winters, Chuck Norris, and many more"
What a great story, but a lousy way for the Park to end up now.... :(
Honestly, I have always wanted to go to Knott's Berry Farm now that I am older and want to see the Park. Is it worth it to go? Maybe next trip we can make a special trip over there for a day to see it. Depends on if it is worth it to go.
susi
The restaurant's history dates back as far as 1920, when Walter and Cordelia Knott began farming 10 acres of leased land on Highway 39 in Buena Park. Way back in 1920, when the First World War was barely over, and a brand new automobile cost $350, the young farm couple had to struggle to make a living.
Desperate to make ends meet, Walter and Cordelia opened a small roadside stand where their usually fine rhubarb, asparagus and berries sold better than they had hoped. Business was so good that Cordelia added hot biscuits and homemade preserves to fare offered customers at the roadside stand. Eventually, Cordelia moved her biscuit and jam business into an adjacent tea room.
Before long, folks began making special trips to sample the fancy crops this unknown farmer was growing. As 1927 rolled around, there were always visitors at the Knott's place, and they made sure to stop at the tiny tea room for a lunch of Cordelia's hot biscuits and berry jam. It was not until the 1930s that Walter became associated with the "boysenberry" which would became the family trademark. Nearby, Anaheim Parks Superintendent Rudolph Boysen had experimented with a new strain of berry but the plants kept dying on the vine. Walter took the scraggly plants, nurtured them to health and named the new berry - a cross between a loganberry, red raspberry and blackberry - after its originator. Today, all boysenberries in the world can trace their roots to Knott's Berry Farm. Walter harvested the very first crop of Boysenberries, and they were an instant success. Cordelia decided it was time to expand her tea room, and began to cook the southern fried chicken dinners that would wake up a sleepy farm community called Buena Park and make the Knott name famous. On opening day, the restaurant served just eight, 65-cent chicken dinners on Cordelia's own wedding china.
But word of these delicious dinners grew and by the 1940's the lines at the Chicken Dinner Restaurant were so long that Walter and Cordelia felt they needed something to keep the guests entertained while they waited to get into the restaurant. The challenge of entertaining these growing crowds led Walter to create an authentic Old West Ghost Town adjacent to the restaurant. The town eventually grew into what is now the Knott's Berry Farm Theme Park.
Today, the Chicken Dinner Restaurant seats more than 900 guests at a time, serves more than 1. 5 million guests each year, and is the largest full-service restaurant in California that serves chicken as its main course.
Over the years, Mrs. Knott's Chicken Dinner Restaurant has hosted thousands of celebrities and VIPs, including: Elizabeth Taylor, Connie Stephens, Lucy Arnez, Donnie and Marie Osmond, John Wayne, Harriet Nelson, Burt Reynolds, Jane Russell, Natalie Wood, Charles Bronson, Amos and Andy, Eddie Fisher, Jonathan Winters, Chuck Norris, and many more"
What a great story, but a lousy way for the Park to end up now.... :(
Honestly, I have always wanted to go to Knott's Berry Farm now that I am older and want to see the Park. Is it worth it to go? Maybe next trip we can make a special trip over there for a day to see it. Depends on if it is worth it to go.
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Re: Secruity at Knott's Berry Farm
Interesting history. but After reading a lot of the KBF employees and former employees posts here, and at board z, you can see its just not the place I remember from when I first went there in, gosh 1974! and over the years it has obviously gotten worse. Too bad!!
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It is worth seeing one time. I miss the old part and should go back, independence hall is worth seeing also. See it once but remember that back about 1997 it changed. I remember the cinco de mayo riots and the firing of the native americans and the redoing of the stagecoach so that there no longer was a loop. Old days the driver missed the spot so he just went around the loop to do it right.
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Okay, Susi, the part I had to gag on was the last one before you went into the history of the Chicken Dinner Restaurant. It was really depressing telling people that certain things are no longer there--the Original Berry Stand (trashed), the Haunted Shack (taken out because it couldn't be made ADA compliant) , the Missions displays (taken out to expand Fiesta Village; in storage but in poor condition); I once had a guy ask where the Corkscrew was--that was taken out over 20 years ago, was replaced by Hammerhead and subsequently replaced by yet another ride. It's been nearly 2 years since I left that dump, so pardon me if my memory is a little short. The petting zoo in Camp Snoopy was taken out to put in the Peanuts Theatre.
I already posted this on the "You Disney people have it so easy" thread, but the fact is, the rides are falling apart due to lack of maintenence, management doesn't give a rat's ass about anything but making money, and the park could burn down next week and they wouldn't care--except they might start boo-hooing that their cash cow is gone.
My younger sister works for an attorney, and I think they offered to help me out when I got hurt; I should've said yes. It's been about two years, I don't know if it's worth it or not. There have been people who have tried suing Knott's but Knott's has always managed to get off easy. Somebody ate at the Chicken Dinner Restaurant, got food poisoning, sued, and Knott's got a slap on the wrist--none of their restaurants can pass a health department check, especially CDR. There are reports on ThemePark Insider that Knott's told a woman who broke her neck on Ghostrider that she came into the park with a broken neck and decided that she didn't need to obey the rules! Another time, a lady with an autistic child was treated very poorly and practically kicked out of the park--she was told that Knott's didn't want autistic and other handicapped kids in their park anymore!
The Better Business Bureau and the labor board are in Knott's pockets, as is OSHA. In fact, recently I discovered that all you have to do to become a member of the BBB is pay a membership fee--there's no oversight, no recordkeeping, etc.. Check out The RipOffReport. Sickening, I tell you! Where is this country headed?
No, Churchy, I'm sorry, I don't recommend you go to Knott's. Enjoy your memories of when it was family-owned, and yes, I believe Mr. and Mrs. Knott and three of their four kids who are with them in Heaven are grieved over what has happened. Mr. Knott had 1/4 of the town of Calico brought in to make Ghost Town, and he hoped to educate as well as entertain people, but it's nowhere like that now.
I already posted this on the "You Disney people have it so easy" thread, but the fact is, the rides are falling apart due to lack of maintenence, management doesn't give a rat's ass about anything but making money, and the park could burn down next week and they wouldn't care--except they might start boo-hooing that their cash cow is gone.
My younger sister works for an attorney, and I think they offered to help me out when I got hurt; I should've said yes. It's been about two years, I don't know if it's worth it or not. There have been people who have tried suing Knott's but Knott's has always managed to get off easy. Somebody ate at the Chicken Dinner Restaurant, got food poisoning, sued, and Knott's got a slap on the wrist--none of their restaurants can pass a health department check, especially CDR. There are reports on ThemePark Insider that Knott's told a woman who broke her neck on Ghostrider that she came into the park with a broken neck and decided that she didn't need to obey the rules! Another time, a lady with an autistic child was treated very poorly and practically kicked out of the park--she was told that Knott's didn't want autistic and other handicapped kids in their park anymore!
The Better Business Bureau and the labor board are in Knott's pockets, as is OSHA. In fact, recently I discovered that all you have to do to become a member of the BBB is pay a membership fee--there's no oversight, no recordkeeping, etc.. Check out The RipOffReport. Sickening, I tell you! Where is this country headed?
No, Churchy, I'm sorry, I don't recommend you go to Knott's. Enjoy your memories of when it was family-owned, and yes, I believe Mr. and Mrs. Knott and three of their four kids who are with them in Heaven are grieved over what has happened. Mr. Knott had 1/4 of the town of Calico brought in to make Ghost Town, and he hoped to educate as well as entertain people, but it's nowhere like that now.