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The Twinkie Defense (formerly "The Ropes, Chains, Poles, etc...")
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:42 am
by leftcoaster
shorty1219 wrote:Wow, I bet she tries to sue (like everyone else in America). That wuldn't hold water at all in court. They should put her picture by all of the lines. "Why can't we sit on the chains/ go over the chains?" And the CM could just point ot the pic.
The problem is that there are way too many liberal judges who would a) find fault with Disney, saying that the chains were "too high." b) that Disney has a lot of money (IE: all wealth should be distributed amongst all citizens). These same judges/juries that a) found OJ not guilty b) awarded a multi-million dollar judgement against McDonalds for having coffee that was "too hot." c) believe in the "Twinkie defense." Remember that most juries are dumbed down because 80+ % (?) of the people called for jury duty do not want to serve. So instead of ending up with a "jury of your peers," it is more of a jury of "who could not get out of jury duty."
Re: The Ropes, Chains, Poles, etc... Are There For A Reason
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:16 pm
by Kwahati
leftcoaster wrote:The problem is that there are way too many liberal judges... (IE: all wealth should be distributed amongst all citizens)...c) believe in the "Twinkie defense."...
Um... the American version of 'liberal' is a little bit different from communism (I'd explain the fundamental differences, but if you didn't know that they're different, then you probably wouldn't understand the explanation of how they're different anyway...) And I don't really want to get into it, but please be aware that judges are appointed by presidents, and confirmed by the senate. Do some research and you'll find that Clinton did a lot less of the back door BS (recess appointments and such) than Bush has done. So, I guess, my advice would be to read up on the subject a little before you start associating the phrase "activist judges" with "liberal"... I know the conservative media has tried to pound it into your head, but... oh f*ck it... ignorance makes me feel ill, I'm gonna go blow chunks now... :puke2:
BTW: Out of curiosity, what's the twinkie defense?
Re: The Ropes, Chains, Poles, etc...... Are There For A Reason
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:58 pm
by Main Streeter
Kwahati wrote:BTW: Out of curiosity, what's the twinkie defense?
Twinkie defense was used in 1979 San Francisco trial of David White who murdered Mayor George Mascone & Supervisor Harvey Milk at S F City Hall. Lawyers for White stated the killings were due to stress & an inordinate amount of junk food = too much sugar. White served only 5 yrs. of a 7 yr. sentence. He committed suicide not long after his release. Facts from Wikipedia.com. There's CA. law again....setting the high bar of stupidity. 
Re: The Ropes, Chains, Poles, etc... Are There For A Reason
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:02 pm
by leftcoaster
Kwahati wrote:Um... the American version of 'liberal' is a little bit different from communism (I'd explain the fundamental differences, but if you didn't know that they're different, then you probably wouldn't understand the explanation of how they're different anyway...) And I don't really want to get into it, but please be aware that judges are appointed by presidents, and confirmed by the senate. Do some research and you'll find that Clinton did a lot less of the back door BS (recess appointments and such) than Bush has done. So, I guess, my advice would be to read up on the subject a little before you start associating the phrase "activist judges" with "liberal"... I know the conservative media has tried to pound it into your head, but... oh f*ck it... ignorance makes me feel ill, I'm gonna go blow chunks now... :puke2:
BTW: Out of curiosity, what's the twinkie defense?
No, not
all judges are appointed by presidents. Only Justices of the Supreme Court and Federal Judges that sit on the benches of the Federal District Courts and Courts of Appeals, of which there are ten destricts.
And I was not talking about Justices of the Supreme Court. I was talking about judges that are appointed by governors, and county judges. And, I'm talking about judges that think they are there to
make law, instead of
interpreting the law.
Oh, and I know the difference between communism and liberalism.
My advice would be to read up on the twinkie defense. ;)
Re: The Ropes, Chains, Poles, etc... Are There For A Reason
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:03 pm
by hobie16
Kwahati wrote:BTW: Out of curiosity, what's the twinkie defense?
Mayor George Moscone of San Francisco and Supervisor Harvey Milk were murdered by Dan White, a member of the Board of Supervisors. In his defense White claimed to be whacked out on Twinkies.
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie_defense
Re: The Ropes, Chains, Poles, etc...... Are There For A Reason
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:18 am
by LittleDollClaudia
Re: The Ropes, Chains, Poles, etc...... Are There For A Reason
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:38 am
by Main Streeter
[quote="LittleDollClaudia"]So if I eat a whole bunch of churros at Disneyland and whack a slew of SG's, can I claim the twinkie/churro defense? ]
With your luck it's doubtful. :D: Think it's a San Francisco defense only. Probably helps if you have an anti Castro District phobia too. 
Re: The Ropes, Chains, Poles, etc...... Are There For A Reason
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:53 pm
by hobie16
OJ got Dan White's jury.
Re: The Ropes, Chains, Poles, etc... Are There For A Reason
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:44 pm
by Kwahati
[quote="leftcoaster"]My advice would be to read up on the twinkie defense. ]
Heh heh. Nice. Will do (and I appreciate the people who posted about it for me). Just so long as you try not to associate bad judges with liberalism. We (liberals) don't want judges legislating from the bench anymore than anyone else (except Bush II, he thinks his job is "really hard," so I'm guessing that he thinks if judges take care of legislation for him, it'll take some of the burden from his shoulders). That's why I was so against the nomination of Alito to the Supreme Court (for people who know my real name, you can google me and find some of the editorial remarks I made in newspapers on this subject). He said openly that he didn't believe Rowe v. Wade was settled law. Um...anybody ever heard the term 'precedent'? Yeah, well, he apparently hasn't. Since Alito is most definitely not a liberal, and I'd be inclined to call him a bad judge, I'd have to say that it's a mistake to refer to bad judges as liberal...fair enough? (Proposal of alternative phrasing: can we settle on calling them 'activist judges'?) :)
Re: The Ropes, Chains, Poles, etc... Are There For A Reason
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:42 pm
by Belgarion42
hobie16 wrote:Mayor George Moscone of San Francisco and Supervisor Harvey Milk were murdered by Dan White, a member of the Board of Supervisors. In his defense White claimed to be whacked out on Twinkies.
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie_defense
:off topic:
Actually, that's not an entirely accurate summary. From the link you provided:
"As part of this testimony, Dr. Blinder cited White's uncharacteristic eating of Twinkies and drinking of Coca-Cola (White had been well known as a fitness fanatic) as evidence of this depression — briefly mentioning that this may also have worsened the depression. The unpopularity of the eventual manslaughter verdict (a lighter sentence which set off the White Night riots) gave rise to the interpretation that White's lawyers had used depression
caused by Twinkies as his primary defense.
Contrary to popular belief, however, White's defense in fact argued that this consumption was unusual for him and reflected already existing mental instability; White would later commit suicide."
(me shooting SG)