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[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Me thinketh, Someone has too much time on their hands.

WHo...where?.....love the computer!!!!

[Princess Susi]

This is interesting stuff... Ever seen this comparison before? Pretty trippy...


The Reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln into John Kennedy?

"All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts, his acts being seven ages." - William Shakespeare


A good analogy of the way reincarnation works can be found in the movie "Groundhog Day" starring funny man Bill Murray. In the movie, Bill Murray played a man who suddenly discovered that he's continuously reliving the same day over and over again. Every day was identical to the one before it with the same events happening and the same people saying the same things. The only difference was the man played by Bill Murray who remembered all the previous days and therefore learned to adapt to his strange situation. The allegory to reincarnation is how, with each succeeding lifetimes, we must face the same situations and problems that we did in previous lives until we learn from them and overcome them by finally "getting it right." Where reincarnation differs from the movie analogy is that, unlike Bill Murray's character, we do not retain our memories of previous lifetimes at the conscious level. We enter each lifetime with a "clean slate" at the conscious level. But at the subconscious and "superconscious" level our past life memories are retained. NDEs reveal that Earth is a "World-School" - a "School of Hard Knocks" - of which we come to learn important lessons. The reason we don't retain our past life memories at the conscious level is the same reason that students in school are not given the answers to an examination before they take it. It appears that this is the ideal way of learning in the physical realm.

So this is why it is said that history tends to repeat itself. And those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Concerning divine justice, Jesus said that those who "live by the sword will die by the sword." This is an excellent definition of "karma" and it means that those who do not overcome their problems in one lifetime will have to face these same problems in a future lifetime.

The best example that I am aware of which shows how history repeats itself can be found in the lives of President Abraham Lincoln and President John F. Kennedy. Their lives had so many similarities that, in my opinion, they provide strong circumstantial evidence supporting the reality of reincarnation. According to the laws of probabilities, it is difficult to dismiss these similarities as pure coincidence. These similarities strongly suggests to me that President Kennedy was in fact the reincarnation of President Lincoln. Read the evidence below and decide for yourself.

Career
Abraham Lincoln John Kennedy

Studied law Studied law
Served in the military Served in the military
Once was a boat captain. He briefly worked as assistant pilot of the Talisman, a Mississippi River boat Once was a boat captain. He was a naval lieutenant and skipper of PT 109
Elected to Congress in ‘46 Elected to Congress in ‘46
Was the runner-up for the nomination of vice president in '56 Was the runner-up for the nomination of vice president in '56
Involved in a famous political debate - the Lincoln-Douglas debates of 1858 Involved in a famous political debate - the Kennedy-Nixon debates in 1960
Republican Convention was held in Chicago in '60 Republican Convention was held in Chicago in '60
Defeated opponent was born in '13 (Stephen Douglas) Defeated opponent was born in '13 (Richard Nixon)
Elected president in ‘60 Elected president in ‘60
Won the election with less than fifty-percent of the popular vote Won the election with less than fifty-percent of the popular vote
Thought of as one of the greatest presidents Thought of as one of the greatest presidents
Elected on November 8th for the term in which they were assassinated Elected on November 8th for the term in which they were assassinated
The legality of the election was contested The legality of the election was contested
Directly involved with black civil rights Directly involved with black civil rights
Made his civil rights views known in '63 Made his civil rights views known in '63
Killed while serving as president Killed while serving as president
In 1964, the book entitled Mr. Lincoln and the Negroes, by W. O. Douglas, was published In 1964, the book entitled Mr. Kennedy and the Negroes, by Harry Golden, was published

Personal traits
Abraham Lincoln John Kennedy
Born second in birth order Born second in birth order
Named after his grandfather Named after his grandfather
Over 6 feet tall and athletic Over 6 feet tall and athletic
Seemed to have lazy eye muscles which would sometimes cause one to deviate Seemed to have lazy eye muscles which would sometimes cause one to deviate
Suffered from genetic diseases Suffered from genetic diseases
Suffered from depression Suffered from depression
Known for his quick wit Known for his quick wit
Could express himself very well Could express himself very well
Enjoyed sitting in a rocking chair Enjoyed sitting in a rocking chair
Liked to quote the Bible and Shakespeare Liked to quote the Bible and Shakespeare
Many of his literary works are considered classics Won a Pulitzer Prize
Known for not carrying money around with him Known for not carrying money around with him
Known for constantly borrowing funds from friends Known for constantly borrowing funds from friends
Repeatedly spoke of, and had dreams regarding, assassination attempts Repeatedly spoke of, and had dreams regarding, assassination attempts
Often stated how easy it would be to shoot a president Often stated how easy it would be to shoot a president
Disdained bodyguards Disdained bodyguards
Had no fear of his own mortality Had no fear of his own mortality

Spouse
Abraham Lincoln John Kennedy
Wife had been previously engaged to someone else Wife had been previously engaged to someone else
A dark-haired twenty-four year old woman at time of marriage A dark-haired twenty-four year old woman at time of marriage
From a socially prominent family From a socially prominent family
Fluent in the French language Fluent in the French language
Known for her high fashion in clothes Known for her high fashion in clothes
Criticized by her husband for spending habits Criticized by her husband for spending habits
Renovated the White House after many years of neglect Renovated the White House after many years of neglect

Family
Abraham Lincoln John Kennedy
Married while in his thirties Married while in his thirties
Had sons named Robert and Edward Had brothers named Robert and Edward
Had four children Had four children
Children rode ponies on the White House lawn Children rode ponies on the White House lawn
Lost a sister before becoming president Lost a sister before becoming president
Lost a son while serving as president Lost a son while serving as president
Two of his children died before becoming a teen Two of his children died before becoming a teen
His son married Mary Eunice Harlan Had a sister named Eunice Mary Kennedy
Robert's second son Abraham was known as “Jack” Was known as "Jack"
Lincoln's son, Tad, had his funeral held on July 16, 1871. Later he was exhumed and moved to a different grave site. Kennedy's son, John Jr., was lost at sea on July 16, 1999. Later he was found, brought up, and then re-buried at sea.

Relationships
Abraham Lincoln John Kennedy
Had a doctor named Charles Taft Had a doctor named Charles Taft
Had a friend and advisor named William Graham Had a friend and advisor named Billy Graham
Was friends with an Illinois Democrat named Adlai E. Stevenson Was friends with an Illinois Democrat named Adlai E. Stevenson
Was related to ambassadors to the Court of St. James Was related to ambassadors to the Court of St. James
Was related to an attorney general who graduated from Harvard University Was related to an attorney general who graduated from Harvard University
Was related to senators Was related to senators

Assassination
Abraham Lincoln John Kennedy
In the year of his death, he received over 80 letters threatening his life In the year of his death, he received over 800 letters threatening his life
New York Police Superintendent, John A. Kennedy, played a role in Lincoln's protection during his 1861 inaugural train trip and also in the investigation immediately following Lincoln's assassination. Edwin Stanton telegraphed Kennedy roughly three hours after Lincoln was shot by Booth. His secretary, Evelyn Lincoln (whose husband Harold's nickname was Abe), advised him not to go to Dallas
The first name of Lincoln's private secretary was John The last name of Kennedy's private secretary was Lincoln
Hours before his assassination, Lincoln said to his bodyguard William H. Crook, "Crook, do you know I believe there are men who want to take my life? And I have no doubt they will do it.....I know no one could do it and escape alive. But if it is to be done, it is impossible to prevent it." (see this website) Hours before his assassination, Kennedy said to Jackie and his personal advisor Ken O'Donnell: "If somebody wants to shoot me from a window with a rifle, nobody can stop it, so why worry about it."
Was sitting in box 7 when killed Was riding in car 7 when killed
Was shot in Ford's Theater Was shot in a Ford Lincoln
Shot in the head from behind Shot in the head from behind
Shot in the presence of his wife Shot in the presence of his wife
Shot while sitting with another couple Shot while sitting with another couple
Shot with another member of their entourage being injured, but not fatally Shot with another member of their entourage being injured, but not fatally
Wife was uninjured Wife was uninjured
After the assassination, there were loud and insistent claims that the fatal shot must have come from a different direction After the assassination, there were loud and insistent claims that the fatal shot must have come from a different direction
Held the bullet-torn head of her husband Held the bullet-torn head of her husband
Received closed chest massage Received closed chest massage
Received the best medical attention available Received the best medical attention available
Died on a Friday - just before a holiday (Easter) Died on a Friday - just before a holiday (Thanksgiving)
Died in a place with the initials P and H (the Peterson House) Died in a place with the initials P and H (Parkland Hospital)
Autopsy was performed by military personnel Autopsy was performed by military personnel
A conspiracy investigation was conducted after his death A conspiracy investigation was conducted after his death
After a number of years, the investigation was reopened without really resolving who was involved in the assassination After a number of years, the investigation was reopened without really resolving who was involved in the assassination
Conspiracy theories soon arose and became popular surrounding the assassination itself and a government cover-up that followed Conspiracy theories soon arose and became popular surrounding the assassination itself and a government cover-up that followed
The only complete account of ABRAHAM Lincoln's assassination was written by JOHN Zelfindorfer The only complete filming of JOHN Kennedy's assassination was shot by ABRAHAM Zapruder

Assassin
Abraham Lincoln John Kennedy
John Wilkes Booth was born in '38 Lee Harvey Oswald was born in '39
Lacked a strong father figure in his life Lacked a strong father figure in his life
Known by his first, middle and last name Known by his first, middle and last name
Often used aliases Often used aliases
Had two brothers whose careers he coveted Had two brothers whose careers he coveted
Was fond of writing down his thoughts in a journal Was fond of writing down his thoughts in a journal
Was a Southerner favoring extremist views Was a Southerner favoring extremist views
Was a known sympathizer to enemies of the United States Was a known sympathizer to enemies of the United States
Traveled to enemy territory (the Confederate state of Virginia) and borrowed a military uniform pretending to be a soldier so that he could witness the hanging of John Brown in 1859 Traveled to enemy territory (the USSR) and wrote to his brother saying, "In the event of war I would kill any American who put a uniform on in defense of the American Government"
Knew of his victims' whereabouts by reading of it in the newspapers Knew of his victims' whereabouts by reading of it in the newspapers
Planned his deed well Planned his deed well
Envisioned his deed as a way to glory and fame Envisioned his deed as a way to glory and fame
Was in his mid-twenties when he killed the president Was in his mid-twenties when he killed the president

Assassin's escape
Abraham Lincoln John Kennedy
Was detained by an officer named Baker Was detained by an officer named Baker
Booth was aided in his escape from Washington by a man named Oswald The assassin's name was Oswald
Booth was also aided by a man named Paine Oswald got his job at the School-book Depository through the aid of Mrs. Paine, his landlady
Booth ran from the theater and was captured in a warehouse (barn) Oswald ran from a warehouse and was captured in a theater
Ford Theater's concession operator was named Burroughs The Texas Theater concession operator was named Burroughs

Assassin's death
Abraham Lincoln John Kennedy
Was killed with a single shot from a Colt revolver Was killed with a single shot from a Colt revolver
Was killed in a blaze of light in front of a burning barn Was killed in a blaze of light in front of the television cameras
Was killed before going to trial Was killed before going to trial
Was killed before his version of the assassination could be learned Was killed before his version of the assassination could be learned
An autopsy was done to clarify his identity An autopsy was done to clarify his identity

President's funeral
Abraham Lincoln John Kennedy
After the ceremonies at the U.S. Capitol, the funeral procession with Lincoln's body left Washington, D.C. Mrs. Kennedy insisted that her husband's funeral mirror Lincoln's as closely as possible.
Casket was carried on a caisson Casket was carried on the same catafalque and caisson as Lincoln
Buried in a mahogany casket Buried in a mahogany casket
Shortly after the funeral, his family moved to Georgetown at 3014 N Street Shortly after the funeral, his family moved to Georgetown at 3017 N Street

Vice President
Andrew Johnson Lyndon Johnson
Andrew Johnson was born in ‘08 Lyndon Johnson was born in ‘08
Born into a poor white Southern family in a wooden shack Born into a poor white Southern family in a small farmhouse
Last name was Johnson Last name was Johnson
His father was a janitor His father once worked as a janitor
A large man A large man
Had urethral stones, one of the two presidents to ever have them Had urethral stones, one of the two presidents to ever have them
Had two daughters Had two daughters
From a town which was 15 minutes from Johnson City, Tennessee From a town which was 15 minutes from Johnson City, Texas
Was an officer in a war Was an officer in a war
A Southern Democrat A Southern Democrat
Served in the House of Representatives in '47 Served in the House of Representatives in '47
Defended the right to own slaves throughout the '40s and '50s Was a consistent opponent of civil rights legislation throughout the '40s and '50s
A Vice-President from the South The first Vice-President from the South since Andrew Johnson
A former senator A former senator
Older than the president Older than the president
Entered the presidency in his mid-fifties Entered the presidency in his mid-fifties
Was overshadowed from the very beginning of his presidency by comparisons with the one of the most impressive presidents in American history Was overshadowed from the very beginning of his presidency by comparisons with the one of the most impressive presidents in American history
Was opposed for re-election by a man whose name started with G (Grant) Was opposed for re-election by a man whose name started with G (Goldwater)
Had a volatile presidency that culminated with impeachment Had a volatile presidency and was threatened with impeachment -- rare charges to be leveled against a president
Was faced with the major task of dealing with the problems of a nation geographically divided (i.e., America's Civil War) Was faced with the major task of dealing with the problems of a nation divided on a geographical basis (i.e., Vietnam's Civil War)
Appointed a commission of inquiry into the assassination Appointed a commission of inquiry into the assassination
Was criticized for what many saw as his callous attitude towards the president immediately following the murder Was criticized for what many saw as his callous attitude towards the president immediately following the murder
Was suspected of being a part of the conspiracy to assassinate the president (see this website) Was suspected of being a part of the conspiracy to assassinate the president
Covered up or suppressed incriminating evidence concerning the assassination Covered up or suppressed incriminating evidence concerning the assassination
Chose not to run for re-election in '68 Chose not to run for re-election in '68
Left the presidency in disgrace Left the presidency in disgrace
Died of a stroke Died of a heart attack
History regards him as among the most colorful of American presidents History regards him as among the most colorful of American presidents
Suffered under the handicap of dealing with a nation divided by war and being overshadowed from the outset by one of the most impressive presidents in American history Suffered under the handicap of dealing with a nation divided by war and being overshadowed from the outset by one of the most impressive presidents in American history

Vice President's Successor


Ulysses S. Grant Richard M. Nixon
Andrew Johnson was succeeded by a Republican (Ulysses S. Grant) in '68 who was elected to another term in '72 and whose administration were racked with scandals. Lyndon Johnson was succeeded by a Republican (Richard M. Nixon) in '68 who was elected to another term in '72 and whose administration were racked with scandals.
In his first campaign for the presidency, Ulysses S. Grant ran against a Democrat by the name of HORATIO Seymour. In his first campaign for the presidency, Richard M. Nixon ran against a Democrat by the name of Hubert HORATIO Humphrey.


Cue up the Twilite Zone muzak......

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

OKAY everyone CUT her off from the chocolate!! her little keyboard must be smokin!!!!!

As a counterpoint:

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/ ... ennedy.asp

which is Still pretty darn interesting!!

[ktulu]

Great googly moogly some people need lives!

I think GP wants to pass up BW in posts.

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

Have no desire to pass a marsupial...they can KICK!!

[Kwahati]

Have no desire to pass a marsupial...they can KICK!!

And they can throw quills and have an 8 foot wingspan...much like the Bongo. :D:

[BRWombat]

Average posts per day of members with more than 900 posts:

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Hmmm... guess I need to go make my 1 post for the day.

Oh, wait. I guess this is it. :D:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

And they can throw quills and have an 8 foot wingspan...much like the Bongo. :D:

AND they can change their spots!!

[hobie16]

Hmmm... guess I need to go make my 1 post for the day.

Oh, wait. I guess this is it. :D:

You've given me a goal that I may reach some day. :D:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

But once you reach the goal, then you have to set another, or have a beer!