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Re: Your FP says 9:40...it's 6:15..

Post by Alyssa3467 » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:53 am

mapo wrote:TIME OUT....

OK....let's try this again.

The time and pay programs we use at WDW and DL have software glitches in them that screw up pay when you work a continuous shift past midnight (00:00).

So, we use 24:00 to 36:00 to help indicate that the CM is on a continuous shift for those hours.

Continuous shifts are problematic because:
** if you work over 8 hrs regardless of your status by Federal law you are paid time and a half OT for anything over 8 hrs in a continuous shift for that day.
** some contracts pay double time after 14 hrs continuous shift; others 16 hours.
** Premiums on your shift need to be carried for the duration of *that* continuous shift. Example: graveyard shift, coordinator pay, etc.

We, the human beings in this situation, know that 27:00 is 03:00 but the systems have major issues. So the humans being the brighter of the elements have adjusted to using times on schedules that run past 23:59 to 36:00 so CMs working these shifts can get paid correctly (usually).

Another one of those things that makes working as an hourly CM for Disney unique.

Oh and MainStreeter, I agree. Working before 13:00 is way to freaking early to start my day. Plus, we all know the really cool stuff happens after the sun goes down LOL

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That's a good explanation for why it was used in the past. It doesn't need to be used now since the software is smart enough to understand that a shift that starts at 18:30 05 Sep 2010 and ends at 03:00 06 Sep 2010 with a 30 minute meal break somewhere in between is an 8 hour shift. Its usage now is a holdover, and I think the sooner it completely goes away, the better.



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Re: Your FP says 9:40...it's 6:15..

Post by GRUMPY PIRATE » Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:42 am

mapo wrote:TIME OUT....

OK....let's try this again.
redacted for brevity

MAPO
so you are saying that disney was not smart enough to be able to use a 24 hour clock time standared correctly?

sounds like a failure of the programming of their system.

kind of funny that the rest of the world has been using this in various applications for many many years with no problem.

the only thing that results in showing a time beyond the 24:00 or 00:00, is that the people that "invented" that method were hampered by not being able to figure out the concept of "the next day" and it kinda makes them look a bit stoopid!

the military has been using the 24 hour time clock for the very reason of, among other things, scheduling guard and watch shifts for personnel so that they wouldn't be confuzzled by the a.m./p.m. and not miss their turn at fun!

face it, it would be a "time FAIL" if there was a poster about it. :rolleyes:


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Re: Your FP says 9:40...it's 6:15..

Post by Mayonnaise » Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:21 pm

GRUMPY PIRATE wrote:so you are saying that disney was not smart enough to be able to use a 24 hour clock time standared correctly?
No. In fact he was quite clear that it's a standard established specifically for the purpose of indicating a shift that runs over two days is ONE shift so that overtime and such apply correctly.

You seem to be making a habit lately of restating other people's points incorrectly and in such a way that belittles the intelligence of the person you are quoting.

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Re: Your FP says 9:40...it's 6:15..

Post by Freak » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:12 pm

^ At least I'm not the only one who noticed that... BTW whats a "time standared" (since we're going to be all uber correct about time, lets be uber correct about spelling too)?

I'm pretty sure RadioShack used the same software as Disney when it came to time recording. When I pulled those 20-hour shifts @ Shack it displayed 1100-2800 (0400, since some people don't like the use of anything past 230;) ) on my timesheet. Now that I look back on the timesheets I have where I pulled long hours like that, they all go up like that. 2600, 2700, etc.

I guess the only good thing is that I only pulled a handful of 20-hour shifts when I worked @ RadioShack...Those were tiring.


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Re: Your FP says 9:40...it's 6:15..

Post by Main Streeter » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:39 pm

Mayonnaise wrote:You seem to be making a habit lately of restating other people's points incorrectly and in such a way that belittles the intelligence of the person you are quoting.

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Re: Your FP says 9:40...it's 6:15..

Post by mapo » Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:28 am

Alyssa3467 wrote:That's a good explanation for why it was used in the past. It doesn't need to be used now since the software is smart enough to understand that a shift that starts at 18:30 05 Sep 2010 and ends at 03:00 06 Sep 2010 with a 30 minute meal break somewhere in between is an 8 hour shift. Its usage now is a holdover, and I think the sooner it completely goes away, the better.
Alyssa,

It is used that way currently for GEMS, SAP, Workbrain and CDS to get along and pay the CMs that perform roles that are shift work correctly.

There is a proprietary module that is used to ensure that the data is related correctly between these programs. There are more programs and models that are used, but are strictly proprietary and will not be discussed here.

Most of the CMs that work at WDW or DL will not see anything past 23:59 as a time. There are many more of us that are in operational roles that deal with those cast members pay and time. We see those notations as a rule, not an exception.

In a perfect world we would have one program that does all labor needs in one place. When that monster app is developed, I am sure Disney will be an early adopter.

Whether you like it or not, it is here and it is not going away anytime soon.

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Re: Your FP says 9:40...it's 6:15..

Post by Alyssa3467 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:54 am

What I've seen of CDS and Workbrain suggests that both applications properly handle shifts spanning over two dates. My access to said applications is quite limited though, so there may be something I'm not seeing. I've had shifts end after midnight, and I've had Grad Nite shifts which started before midnight, and Workbrain shows the end times properly without going past 23:59. For my shifts that end past midnight, CDS shows the end time properly without going past 23:59. When said shifts are edited by Leads, they sometimes run into problems because they don't always realize that the shift ends on a different date than the start date, i.e. 0300 05 September 2010 vs. "2700" 04 September 2010 for a shift that started on 04 September 2010.

In the end, I think I have to agree with GRUMPY PIRATE. The programmers were being stupid when they decided to go past 2400.



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Re: Your FP says 9:40...it's 6:15..

Post by CujoSR » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:34 am

Funny, I never gave the Time system a second thought back in the day. Actually, our current systems at wally world could use it. Would make alot of lives easier.


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Re: Your FP says 9:40...it's 6:15..

Post by delsdad » Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:44 pm

Alyssa3467 wrote: In the end, I think I have to agree with GRUMPY PIRATE. The programmers were being stupid when they decided to go past 2400.
Is it really stupid if it allows you to be paid correctly for those late night shifts ?

As long as I get paid properly, I dont care if the computers deal with it in Klingon standard time format (whatever that is). It is far more important that the payroll computers understand it correctly, than it is that I understand it !



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Re: Your FP says 9:40...it's 6:15..

Post by Main Streeter » Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:27 pm

delsdad wrote:Is it really stupid if it allows you to be paid correctly for those late night shifts ?

As long as I get paid properly, I dont care if the computers deal with it in Klingon standard time format (whatever that is). It is far more important that the payroll computers understand it correctly, than it is that I understand it !
dels, FANTASTIC! You have posted exactly what I've been thinking!! :cool: I don't care if it's 4830 @ DL ;) As long as the check has correct hrs & in Partner's I'm more than plzd. I chose to work @ DL, thus the time they use has become a part of my thinking & speech. If others choose to play @ DLR or WDW, behind stage clocks are none of their concern. Dels, :yourock:



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