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Re: Attention all monorail personnel!

Post by PapaMouse » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:21 am

^^ Interesting :)


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Re: Attention all monorail personnel!

Post by Monorail_Red » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:27 am

Big Wallaby wrote:You would think, yes. Basically, that "9" is how many volts that propulsion unit is picking up from the bus bar. If a train starts moving under the power of one of these,
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I think I am going to be worried about far more than just the train moving. Then, after a moment of thought, I'm going to see what P5 does!

Once up to cruising speed on level ground, the monorail will propel itself 40 mph with just 135 volts, give or take.
Oh...those are volts? I was thinking maybe a PECU bug, but 9 volts to a motor that can take 600+ is just as much as 0 volts.

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Big Wallaby wrote:SPECIAL DOOR REQUEST is a thankfully discontinued system, and different from a door alert. Basically, a Special Door is an archaic term in Monorails. It refers to the doorways that used to be the only few on the train in which we could put a wheel chair. For that reason, we still call people in wheel chairs "specials" (which irks me to no end, especially when working a platform, a guest in a wheelchair comes up, and a pilot will call out "SPECIAL!"). The cars were made so that the center leaning panel (someone from before my time: What was it called back then?) was shifted forward or back several inches from the center of the compartment, where it would be inside any other door, to accomodate the wheel chair. Then, someone got the idea of changing the car layout to what it is today... the four rails. With that, we could now theoretically accomodate a guest in a wheel chair in any car.

If you ever see the middle two cars of Yellow, you'll notice a panel with buttons, and that was the special door request panel. Basically, a Cast Member would help the guest in the wheel chair aboard, find out where they were going, and press the corresponding button. Nice idea, but the implementation was off. The idea was that you would not be able to pass a station without letting that person off. As soon as it sensed the parking tags at that stop, it would not allow the train to move until that button was pressed again. So far so good. Until you remember one thing:

Last night, I was in Monorail Blue, braking into the station, and for some reason the brakes just didn't grab right. I found myself half a car out of the station, having passed the parking tags, but the train sensed them as I passed over. With that system in place, I now would not be able to move until I had unloaded the special door, and I would be unable to move because the train sensed it had received the parking tags. I would be unable to back up to open my doors, until I opened the doors to let off the guests in that car.

Bit of a problem.

So that system's been disconnected. I would love to see it revitalized with that one little change made.
Then in theory each doorway would need a keypad? It would only be used on Resort anyway....

Maybe what they can do is make another small feature on the software that actually won't interact with any part of the monorail...probably be very easy, at a cost of virtually $0...where a pilot can set-up reminders for each time a train arrives at a station (or a specific station)...a little pop up reminder just like anything that would go into the daily log that they reply to...it can be anything that the driver inputs, weather it is a special getting off at a station, or if they have to deadhead a car due to no A/C or whatever anything not normal may be, where a pop-up reminder would be nice.



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Re: Attention all monorail personnel!

Post by hobie16 » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:16 am

Big Wallaby wrote:Once up to cruising speed on level ground, the monorail will propel itself 40 mph with just 135 volts, give or take.
How many amps/Watts?


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Re: Attention all monorail personnel!

Post by Big Wallaby » Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:47 pm

Monorail_Red wrote:Then in theory each doorway would need a keypad? It would only be used on Resort anyway....
In theory. However, we do not load wheelchairs and ecv's into any but cars 3 or 4 without making a call to the person receiving them, and then there'd better be a good reason. So we don't need that keypad for other doors right now. Give it five years until everyone's on a scooter of some sort. See: WALL-E.
Monorail_Red wrote:Maybe what they can do is make another small feature on the software that actually won't interact with any part of the monorail...probably be very easy, at a cost of virtually $0...where a pilot can set-up reminders for each time a train arrives at a station (or a specific station)...a little pop up reminder just like anything that would go into the daily log that they reply to...it can be anything that the driver inputs, weather it is a special getting off at a station, or if they have to deadhead a car due to no A/C or whatever anything not normal may be, where a pop-up reminder would be nice.
That would be a good idea. I think I am going to pass that on... with your info, of course.
hobie16 wrote:How many amps/Watts?
Don't remember, but the amperage is fairly low once cruising... about 200. I don't think we ever see wattage. When we're pushing out of a station for 40 (which is how we should ALWAYS leave a station, even if the limit is 20) we can actually go over the 600 volts, almost 700 volts at 2000 amps.

Now the fun part of the power is the Dynamic Braking, which creates energy and puts it back into the bus bar.


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Re: Attention all monorail personnel!

Post by Monorail_Red » Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:53 pm

Big Wallaby wrote:That would be a good idea. I think I am going to pass that on... with your info, of course.
Feel free to pass it on.
Big Wallaby wrote:Don't remember, but the amperage is fairly low once cruising... about 200. I don't think we ever see wattage. When we're pushing out of a station for 40 (which is how we should ALWAYS leave a station, even if the limit is 20) we can actually go over the 600 volts, almost 700 volts at 2000 amps.

Now the fun part of the power is the Dynamic Braking, which creates energy and puts it back into the bus bar.
Wow, the trains are more efficient than I would ever have thought. Cruising at 135 volts is pretty good, for a train of its size and capacity. I'm surprised that they are more expensive to operate rather than the buses with what the price of diesel once was, and still is...plus with the amount of waste that's given off, the fumes...monorails just give off heat...



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Re: Attention all monorail personnel!

Post by Monorail_Red » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:40 pm

Question...

On Exterior, if a train is holding at 66 to get into the MK, why would the train behind the one waiting to get into the MK hold at 45 just outside the Contemporary and not 34? I thought that there needed to be two holdpoints between each train, and if a train was holding at 66, then there's only 53 then 45. Is the switchbeam its own holdpoint?

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Re: Attention all monorail personnel!

Post by Monorail_Red » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:47 pm

Monorail_Red wrote:Question...

On Exterior, if a train is holding at 66 to get into the MK, why would the train behind the one waiting to get into the MK hold at 45 just outside the Contemporary and not 34? I thought that there needed to be two holdpoints between each train, and if a train was holding at 66, then there's only 53 then 45. Is the switchbeam its own holdpoint?

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10-22, I think that I can answer my own question here...the train looks for the transmitters, not the sections of the beam divided by the holdpoints.



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Re: Attention all monorail personnel!

Post by kurtisnelson » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:49 pm

I think it would be really cool if someone put together a nice map of all these holdpoints and operation material and all that fun stuff.


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Re: Attention all monorail personnel!

Post by Monorail_Red » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:58 pm

kurtisnelson wrote:I think it would be really cool if someone put together a nice map of all these holdpoints and operation material and all that fun stuff.
I will try to recite them here...

Exterior (from TTC):
BASE, 10, 17, 26, 34, 45, 53, 66, 73, MK, 91, 99, 108, 116, 125, 135, 145, 155

Lagoon (from TTC):
BASE, 152, 145, POLY, 129, 120, GF, 103, 95, 86, MK, 68, 55, 45, CO, 24, 15, 6

Epcot (from TTC):
CC, 5, 14, 25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 105, 115, 125, 135, 145, 155, 165, 175, 185, 195, 204, 210, Epcot, 225, 235, 245, 255, 265, 274, 285, 294, 305, 315, 325, 335, 345, 355, 365, 372, 379, 385

Hey BW, did I get them all?? :D:



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Re: Attention all monorail personnel!

Post by kurtisnelson » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:04 pm

Monorail_Red wrote:I will try to recite them here...

Exterior (from TTC):
BASE, 10, 17, 26, 34, 45, 53, 66, 73, MK, 91, 99, 108, 116, 125, 135, 145, 155

Lagoon (from TTC):
BASE, 152, 145, POLY, 129, 120, GF, 103, 95, 86, MK, 68, 55, 45, CO, 24, 15, 6

Epcot (from TTC):
CC, 5, 14, 25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 105, 115, 125, 135, 145, 155, 165, 175, 185, 195, 204, 210, Epcot, 225, 235, 245, 255, 265, 274, 285, 294, 305, 315, 325, 335, 345, 355, 365, 372, 379, 385

Hey BW, did I get them all?? :D:
Now you just need to throw those on a Google Map and we have the monorails study guide.


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