You Made Us E - Stop the Attraction For THIS?!?!?

[DisneyMom]

Giant shot of insulin would clear things right up. How does about 320 cc's sound? That'll clear up ALL her problems... and ours, too.

1cc=100 units of insulin.240cc(ml)=1 milk carton of insulin.
Ghostbusters has a line like that-any of you movie buffs care to pull it up? :D:

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

No..my brain is fried from online shopping!! Arrrhhhhh. friggin transformers!!!

[GuestJockey]

WELCOME GuestJockey!!!! I'm glad you thought of sending her to First Aid (Great Minds think alike!) Was anyone suspicious about her motivation when she refused?

We're ALWAYS suspicious of stuff like that, but it's not really our place to question it, so it usually plays out exactly the way this one did. :mad:

Thanks for the welcomes!

[Randy B]

We're ALWAYS suspicious of stuff like that, but it's not really our place to question it, so it usually plays out exactly the way this one did. :mad:

Thanks for the welcomes!

Warning, random musings ahead!

There is a legal infraction assessed when someone without a physical disability parks in a handicaped spot. Maybe it is time to come up with a similar infraction for claiming a disability that a person is not entitled to, and causes financial/business interruption problems or availability issues for those who DO have a medical need. This would also address those SGs who rent wheelchairs in the belief that that rental will get them to the front of lines, when no physical reason is present. If this then causes a truly chair needing person to not have one available later in the day, the "cheater" could be fined. As well as someone like this who made a medical claim that was incorrect, and caused a disruption to business (as well as inconvenince to those following the rules) could be charged for the disruption.

Anyone want to write such a bill?

Randy

[GuestJockey]

Warning, random musings ahead!

There is a legal infraction assessed when someone without a physical disability parks in a handicaped spot. Maybe it is time to come up with a similar infraction for claiming a disability that a person is not entitled to, and causes financial/business interruption problems or availability issues for those who DO have a medical need. This would also address those SGs who rent wheelchairs in the belief that that rental will get them to the front of lines, when no physical reason is present. If this then causes a truly chair needing person to not have one available later in the day, the "cheater" could be fined. As well as someone like this who made a medical claim that was incorrect, and caused a disruption to business (as well as inconvenince to those following the rules) could be charged for the disruption.

Anyone want to write such a bill?

Randy

I like the idea, but I have a ~slight~ defense of the 'person in a wheelchair' complaint, only because there are those who legitimately (myself included) have trouble standing in one place for more than 20 minutes, but can walk around all day without feeling a thing. For these people, we recommend wheelchairs and even tell them that they can "push it too the attraction and then sit down once you're in line." so that they can be SITTING. For this reason, I feel bad when I see CMs judging who should or shouldn't use a chair.

[Randy B]

I like the idea, but I have a ~slight~ defense of the 'person in a wheelchair' complaint, only because there are those who legitimately (myself included) have trouble standing in one place for more than 20 minutes, but can walk around all day without feeling a thing. For these people, we recommend wheelchairs and even tell them that they can "push it too the attraction and then sit down once you're in line." so that they can be SITTING. For this reason, I feel bad when I see CMs judging who should or shouldn't use a chair.

I understand and that is why I need someone else to write the bill with all the specs and such. Including accounting for situations as you mention or even short term, non doctor recommended uses. A hangnail can temporarily make it nearly impossible to walk or stand. But when there is one chair available, who gets it, the broken leg or the hangnail.

Randy

[Kwahati]

I understand and that is why I need someone else to write the bill with all the specs and such. Including accounting for situations as you mention or even short term, non doctor recommended uses. A hangnail can temporarily make it nearly impossible to walk or stand. But when there is one chair available, who gets it, the broken leg or the hangnail.

That's the problem: you can't know that Broken Leg's going to show up later, so if Hangnail's standing there, you have to give it to them. If Broken Leg and Hangnail show up at the same time, Hangnail's probably going to look at Broken Leg's cast and (in most cases where Hangnail's not an SG) say "Damn, glad I'm not him! By all means, give the last wheelchair to him!"

This one's a touchy one for me, too, because the military refused to take responsibility for my screwed up knee. For those of you who know what it means, I have a 0% disability rating. For everybody else: this means I'm not not disabled, I'm just not disabled enough to count...if that makes any sense (and at the level where it requires a triple negative, I'm sure it makes no sense at all). But it also leaves the option open for them to say I'm disabled later (increase my percentage rating, which they can't do if you don't have a disability rating when you separate). Basically, it's the military taking credit (kind of) without doing anything about it... The upshot of this is that I have a bad knee that very little was ever done to help. I did a lot of rehab, though, so it works pretty well most of the time. Since the military tried to dodge taking credit, I have nothing from a doctor stating I have a permanently bad knee. What happens to me if I spent all day yesterday walking around the World Showcase and today my knee no worky so good? Should I suffer because I can't prove it hurts?

I do think I have a good answer though: set up two lines at wheelchair rental. One line should be under a sign that says "I need a wheelchair" the other line should say "I need a front of the line pass." Anybody lined up under the first sign gets a chair. Anybody dumb enough to line up under the latter sign gets nothing! Or they could "get" escorted out of the park. I care not.

[Randy B]

That's the problem: you can't know that Broken Leg's going to show up later, so if Hangnail's standing there, you have to give it to them. If Broken Leg and Hangnail show up at the same time, Hangnail's probably going to look at Broken Leg's cast and (in most cases where Hangnail's not an SG) say "Damn, glad I'm not him! By all means, give the last wheelchair to him!"

I agree. Maybe there needs to be a sliding scale with the difficulty of renting a chair depending on how many chairs are currently available. So at the start of the day, someone who is not used to walking 10+ miles a day and will need a chair by the end of the day to even move, will have a very good chance. But later in the day when there are only 15 chairs left, if the rental request is not including a Rx or a broken bone, convincing the renter to rent will be more difficult. That way there will be a few chairs reserved for obvious need, but does not restrict those who have a desire (as opposed to a need).

I do like the improvements that Disney has made to the disabilty benefits through out the parks. A higher percentage of accessable lines, and multiple levels of "service" for different conditions (from "no special service" to "front of line" and every flavor inbetween). This has cut down the number of SGs who thought that simply renting a chair gave them instant front of the line to a relative few. If you rent a chair and then find out that you don't have the right card and you still have to wait in the line, the apparent benefit falls by the wayside. And as time goes by, the system is being refined and working better all the time. It's not perfect yet, but getting there.

But to get back to the original premise, it would be nice if there was a way to penalize those who fake or profess a condition for personal gain with no truth to it. If that gal who was professing a medical condition just to speed up the search for a lost purse, without the condition being true, could be penalized for the lie proportionate to the disruption of business incurred, such interruptions would become less and less often. Of course such a thing should be also publicised (maybe without names) to prevent anyone who might try it in the future from even trying.

What would have happened if when she insisted on the attraction being shut down to get her medication was then informed that "we are willing to do so, but if there is no medicine of that type in your purse you will be charged $XXXX.XX for the interruption fee", the outcome may have been different. Or to prevent charges of descrimination, a set fee for interruption of service fee that if it is a real emergency would be gladly payed, while a faker wouldn't want to pay.

JMHO of course.

Randy

[Kwahati]

What would have happened if when she insisted on the attraction being shut down to get her medication was then informed that "we are willing to do so, but if there is no medicine of that type in your purse you will be charged $XXXX.XX for the interruption fee", the outcome may have been different. Or to prevent charges of descrimination, a set fee for interruption of service fee that if it is a real emergency would be gladly payed, while a faker wouldn't want to pay.

That's a very valid point. I totally agree. I don't know why this makes me think of it, (the communal ADD is getting worse around here!) but I used to do a lot of back-country hiking and camping in Yellowstone Nat'l Park. When they announced several years ago that they were going to begin charging people for their own rescue, should a rescue operation become necessary, anybody with an ounce of brain started giving themselves extra time to find their own way home before the people expecting them were to call the rangers. If you make it public that "hey, we're not your safety net and if we have to bail you out, it won't be free!" people will think "oh yeah! maybe I should pay attention to my own ass to make sure I don't get it into trouble!"

A quick answer to my little quip from before about people "needing" front of the line passes (and implying that they're all fakers). I just want to apologize: it's late and I'm tired (so tired I just typed this sentence wrong twice!) so I forgot about the one group that I know of who really does need front of line privileges...lots of autistic kids can't handle being around people they don't know for more than a few minutes (or maybe even at all in some cases...I don't know), so standing in an hour+ long line is right out of the question. I thank God that I don't know much about autism in general, but I do know that I have a cousin who's autistic (I think he's about 11 years old now) and, even after having it explained to him several times that I was related to him, he was pretty uncomfortable even having me in their house! So I do, sincerely, apologize to anybody I may have offended. I do know there are reasons a person would need front of line privileges and I really didn't mean to imply that they're all fakers. (By the way: anybody seen the new commercial with rock stars who're trying to raise money to end autism? I thought it was cool that Steven Tyler was in it because, coincidentally enough, when I met my cousin several months ago, one of the only things that made him like [tolerate?] me was talking to him about music and playing some Aerosmith for him!)

[Princess Susi]

And even if those who don't have a legit disability are getting a chair for the purpose of getting to the front of the line, they are S.O.L. There is no front of the line priveledge with a chair! They have to wait in a disabled line if an attraction has one or wait in the regular queue with everyone else if it does not have a disabled line, albeit sitting down in a chair and when they do get to the disabled load place, they have to wait til there are not so many disabled guests on the attraction because of the evac and safety issues. If an attraction had to be evacked quickly due to a fire or something, you cannot have too many people who are disabled on the ride that have to be transferred to a chair. Would take too much time and so they limit how many disabled on an attracton at one time. There is NO front of the line perk with having a chair. Sometimes disabled people wait even longer to get on. There is a thread in a Disney disabilty forum by a disabled person who sets it straight about the getting to the front of the line.

Not gonna happen unless you have one of those passes from a CM or the new front of the line deal that WDW offers if you pay a certain amount extra on your trip. You can BUY a pass that gives you front of the line priviledges. Now, I do NOT know if this has actually gone into effect or if it is not being done. But we were told when we started to reserve our trip on the Platinum pkg that we could pay 300.00 more to get a front of the line pass to the attractons. I admit, that does sound very good to me, with my bad back. Do any of the WDW CMs know about this deal? It is some sort of pass you buy with your trip package and it works that way. Or is not in use? We heard it from a concierge CM who was booking tours and other resses for us that we could pay for this type of pass. Maybe Zazu has heard. I don't know if they actually put that into use. I probably would do it, with my bad back, standing in lines will put me in bed the whole next day, that is why we book a month trip, to have enough time to do what we want AND take every other day off from the pain of walking and standing for hours. Do they actually have such a pass for 300.00 to get front of line priviledges at WDW? I have heard about this. It would be cool if they did.

Tomorrow, is a HUGE day for me! I finally got my insurance to get me into a Spine Specialist! YAY! We just may be on the way now to finding out what is wrong with my back and maybe, just maybe that can fix it???? Oh PLEEEEEEEASE be so. I hope so. I canot live on Morphine and Percocet anymore. You would all faint if you knew how much Morphine and Percocet I took everyday! Too much, I need to get off of it. My liver hates it and I want to be drug free!!!!!!!! I have to take it right now, because if I don't i cannot live. I would be bed ridden and in excruciating pain. As it is, the meds just take the edge off the pain, enough to allow me to stand for a couple hours or walk for a couple hours without too much pain. Gad, I hope these specialists can find what is wrong and cure it, or at least make it more bearable. I WILL be in a chair if they cannot do anything for my back. I don't believe it is my spine, cause my MRIs all show nothing in my spine, but I do think it may be a muscle or soft tissue wrapped around a nerve branching off my spine and torquing my sciatic nerve down my left leg. The pain is all in my lower back and left leg and I cannot stand or walk when it starts it's nasty little devil pain dance. I look otherwise very healthy and people would probably wonder why I would need a chair when I can walk a little ways and then have to use a chair. That is how it is sometimes with disabilities.
So we will find out what is wrong. FINALLY! After months of fighting my Kaiser HMO, I finally get some help! And Kaiser recommended an OUTSIDE specialist and is paying for it! They better, after all the trouble I have had with their neuro depts. They gave me nothing but shit for years. :mad: First appt tomorrow and probably more tests! :) That is how they have to find it in there!
Susi*Ow, I hurt, hand me another couple morphines and a perc*slicker :(