Stupid Guest Tricks

screnwriter wrote:I have to say, GMC that you disgust me with your attitude of "if it bothers you, run away and hide from it" I realize this isn't an exact quote, but it is what you are saying.

WHOA! Wait a minute!!! Back up here screenwriter. GMC is rather liked around here & he was ONLY stating his opinion just as you were stating yours. Don't come here & attack. We are here for fun, stress release & even some edjekation. READ THE SITE RULES!! Dang, this post upsets me! :twisted:

Main Streeter wrote:

screnwriter wrote:I have to say, GMC that you disgust me with your attitude of "if it bothers you, run away and hide from it" I realize this isn't an exact quote, but it is what you are saying.

WHOA! Wait a minute!!! Back up here screenwriter. GMC is rather liked around here & he was ONLY stating his opinion just as you were stating yours. Don't come here & attack. We are here for fun, stress release & even some edjekation. READ THE SITE RULES!! Dang, this post upsets me! :twisted:

I do appreciate what this site is for, and believe me, I thought about what I was writing. But to run from a problem and "hope it goes away" goes against everything I've ever learned as a human being, an American, and a Disneyland Cast Member.

I'm sure that GMC, once he sat down and thought about it, would realize the outlook is different for someone who's actually witnessed John physically touching Cast Members.

I'm going to back up my buddy GMC here (even though I'm gonna kill him....).

You've both got valid points. If you're so upset do something about it. I am lucky to have not been harrassed by Smiley so I don't have much to say here. If you don't like it complain, but unless you are serrious about taking action its all just steam to me.

screnwriter wrote:I have to say, GMC that you disgust me with your attitude of "if it bothers you, run away and hide from it" I realize this isn't an exact quote, but it is what you are saying.

For those who are of a mind to learn from this, I can say that one should NEVER run when something can be done about a dangerous situation, and even when you do have to run, notify someone about the situation, so that something can be done about it.

Yes, I know there aren't Disney rope girls, there are now GUEST rope girls (and guys). And some of the behavior I've witnessed (John intimidating cast members) has occured since POTS.

I don't have to worry about being let go, or getting Disney in trouble if I report on John, so I'll be much more aware of when I see him at the park.

And if I see anything that is reportable, I'll report it, so that if he is getting worse (read about stalkers and molesters, they don't just get bored and stop, they invariably get worse) the authorities can do something about it.

All right bud, you're clearly as ignorant as the next pass holder. Obviously simley has calmed down, most likely with age, as you said it's been ten years, so is it safe to assume that maybe in those ten years, he might be getting better!?

I'm not saying to run away from things and hide from things that bother you, i'm telling you to not do things you think are too dangerous to do, this can be as simple as walking everywhere because your car might explode, or could be more along the lines of not bungee jumping because if that cord snaps, it's not going to feel good.

I am telling you that if having John around the park makes you feel UNSAFE (not uncomfortable) then DON'T COME HERE. While i'm all for promoting my place of work, I don't need people freaking out because something MIGHT happen. I can assure you that if John was seen doing anything that appeared to be unsafe, someone would stop him.

As far as revoking his pass, THAT is sweeping it under a rug, and THAT is not acceptable, when he is in the park he CAN be kept under constant supervision, when not in the park, he could be off doing who knows what. If you're going to have trouble accepting the fact that's he's your FELLOW AP, and he ALSO enjoys this park, he just enjoys it in a different way than you do!

I'M DONE WITH THE SUBJECT, WE CANNOT MAKE JOHN LEAVE FOR SOMETHING THAT HE MIGHT DO. I REALIZE YOUR CONCERN, AND I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I SEE, AND IT'S THAT HE IS NOT AN IMMEDIATE THREAT! THIS IS HOW I FEEL, AND I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO CONTINUE TO BERATE ME ON THE SUBJECT. YOU HAVE YOU'RE OPTIONS AND THE REST IS UP TO YOU! HAVE A MAGICAL FUCKING DAY!

thank you Main Streeter
and STDuck for backing me, even if you disagree.

BB Code corrected by Zazu 9 Nov 04.

GMC wrote:All right bud, you're clearly as ignorant as the next pass holder.

I am telling you that if having John around the park makes you feel UNSAFE (not uncomfortable) then DON'T COME HERE. While i'm all for promoting my place of work, I don't need people freaking out because something MIGHT happen. I can assure you that if John was seen doing anything that appeared to be unsafe, someone would stop him.

I'M DONE WITH THE SUBJECT, WE CANNOT MAKE JOHN LEAVE FOR SOMETHING THAT HE MIGHT DO. I REALIZE YOUR CONCERN, AND I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I SEE, AND IT'S THAT HE IS NOT AN IMMEDIATE THREAT! THIS IS HOW I FEEL, AND I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO CONTINUE TO BERATE ME ON THE SUBJECT. YOU HAVE YOU'RE OPTIONS AND THE REST IS UP TO YOU! HAVE A MAGICAL FUCKING DAY!

thank you Main Streeter
and STDuck for backing me, even if you disagree.

'Tis unfortunate that you chose to view another's first hand knowledge in in such a manner. I at no time said that based upon what YOU saw action should be taken, but you did say that based upon what I saw you felt it was best to leave him alone and do nothing. I'm sure you wouldn't leave a slippery spot where guests or cast members could slip on it, nor would you leave any machinery in an unsafe manner. For this reason, I found it hard to believe that such a cast member would advocate turning a blind eye to someone who's been observed attempting to molest a cast member. I see your point, that to you he appears harmless, but try to take another's viewpoint just as I am taking yours. Based solely on what I've seen, if you had no other knowledge of the guy, I'm certain you'd suggest that security watch the guy. Likewise, if I'd known nothing about him, I'd go along with the crowd.

I don't think much more of you than you apparently think of me, but I do understand where you're coming from, and I hope you'll take a deep breath, go back to my original post, and try to see what I was saying.

In any case, hatchet buried, no further thoughts.

If it is of any consolation, security watches him like a hawk. i've had at least three different security CMs show up at main street station, immediatly after him sowing up, one time it was either plainclothes security or APD, sut they actually entered the station, and waited until they were sure that the situation was safe before they left. (there were like 5 conductors, two radios, a family with a sizely Dad on one side of the station, and no body on the other (which john had chosen) and 911 within reach as always.) I do personally engage in conversation with him partly to make him feel like a guest, and also, at the risk of making myself sound like a bigger jerk, to make him uncomfortable, the same way all the girls feel about him, and the same way i felt before it was confirmed to me that he did indeed prefer the ladies (imagine me some youg guy, on his second day of training sitting alone in the station while my trainer was talking to the lead, and this creepy looking guy, walks into the station and starts looking around at everything like it was something to get off on. I did sit on my last post in this thread, and thought that i should at least add, that we do keep close watch on him, and he probly knows it, and that's probly why he doesn't seem to act up quite as much as he used to. Whatever the case, i'm sorry that i bore my teeth, we should probly call truce before Cujo locks the thread.

GMC wrote:If it is of any consolation, security watches him like a hawk. i've had at least three different security CMs show up at main street station, immediatly after him sowing up, one time it was either plainclothes security or APD, sut they actually entered the station, and waited until they were sure that the situation was safe before they left. (there were like 5 conductors, two radios, a family with a sizely Dad on one side of the station, and no body on the other (which john had chosen) and 911 within reach as always.) I do personally engage in conversation with him partly to make him feel like a guest, and also, at the risk of making myself sound like a bigger jerk, to make him uncomfortable, the same way all the girls feel about him, and the same way i felt before it was confirmed to me that he did indeed prefer the ladies (imagine me some youg guy, on his second day of training sitting alone in the station while my trainer was talking to the lead, and this creepy looking guy, walks into the station and starts looking around at everything like it was something to get off on. I did sit on my last post in this thread, and thought that i should at least add, that we do keep close watch on him, and he probly knows it, and that's probly why he doesn't seem to act up quite as much as he used to. Whatever the case, i'm sorry that i bore my teeth, we should probly call truce before Cujo locks the thread.

Like I said guy, hatchet buried. Glad you feel the same. I also used to give him the WORST customer service I could (challenged him when he asked for coffee refills, ignored any questions from him, and blocked him from passing thru stores where he wasn't supposed to be - he liked to "just pass thru" knowing he was making some girl feel uncomfortable).

Glad to hear also, that Security is watching him. But I'll still keep an eye out, and may someday just come by with a couple of friends and follow him around for a day, see what his usual day is like. He may not be doing the things I've seen him do, but I'd rather find a way to get him out permanently.

Oh, and BTW - in parades, back before he started trying to fondle the girls and was just known as a loser without a life, we nicknamed him, "Lampwick" after the Pinocchio character that he resembles.

Until a female cast member (god forbid this ever happens) has proof and presses charges sadly nothing can be done about John. Shame on anyone to give ANY guest poor service regardless of who or what they are like. GMC is right on many points as is everyone else.

(All this new blood is raising my blood pressure with getting me angry)

screnwriter wrote: But I'll still keep an eye out, and may someday just come by with a couple of friends and follow him around for a day, see what his usual day is like. He may not be doing the things I've seen him do, but I'd rather find a way to get him out permanently.

i wouldn't recomend that, that's childish, rude and intolerant, not to mention liable to get you in trouble if he decided to raise a stink, he is one of our more well known regulars, and as creepy as he is, i'm sure measures would be done to satisfy him, and not to mention keep his lawyer mom (and dad?) off our backs. This isn't a place to bash, it's a place to talk about, stuff and more or less luagh about it, you've brought anger to my haven, and that will take some time for me to get over. If i ever see a CM or guest(s) bothering John, you can bet money that I will do something about it.

screnwriter wrote:Oh, and BTW - in parades, back before he started trying to fondle the girls and was just known as a loser without a life, we nicknamed him, "Lampwick" after the Pinocchio character that he resembles.

Before signing off I have to respond to the above. screenwriter, John/Smiley is supposedly mentally challanged. Did you not "get" this when you were a CM????? Does this not impact you now?? Ok, so Smiley hangs @ DLR often. Does this qualify him as a "loser without a life?" No, he was labeled a "loser" & not given the best guest service b/c you can't seem to show compassion to those with a disability. Thank God I'm able to accept others who might need extra help or just a smile. Hope I NEVER judge as critically & insensitively as you seem to. ALL Disney theme park CMs are taught to accept/be aware of our special needs guests. I'll not continue my rant. However, to all who are not Disney CMs - please, please realize Disney CMs welcome & happily assist guests with special needs. 99% of us would nor could ever make light of others who have a disability.