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Re: Up

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:27 pm
by felinefan
Interesting trivia:

The original version of the classic comic, "Little Orphan Annie", was about a boy named Otto. But the publisher pointed out that there were already too many comics with male characters. "Put skirts on the kid and call her Annie," the cartoonist was told. So Little Orphan Otto became Little Orphan Annie.

Betty Boop started life as a dog. I have "Betty Boop--The Definative Collection" on VHS, and the first few cartoons have her as a dog, until she gradually morphs to a human, her floppy ears becoming earrings, her black nose turns white. In one cartoon, not only is her voice done by someone else, but it's where she's trying to prevent a train robbery, and as she's riding on the top of the train, her nose changes from black to white, then back again.

Upon researching the origin of fairy tales, they originally were "old wives' tales", not intended for children's ears. They were the passing on of information from old women to younger ones, about the repression and social confines they lived under, and their general lot in life, especially how women of that time were expected to have children early and often, and how death took many a mother and child too soon. So they were the original woman-centered stories. In fact, Cinderella goes back about 4000-6000 years, and originated in China. Needless to say, the plot details have been changed considerably, but the basic premise is about an abused little girl who grows up and with magical aid, attends a social event, meets a prince, and leaves a shoe behind when hurrying home. The shoe is used to find her, and the prince marries her.

Re: Up

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:28 pm
by BRWombat
DisneyMom wrote:haha, Ktulu!
Enjoy the years you have left before EVERYONE IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD STARTS CYCLING SIMULTANEOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
ktulu wrote:Two words, man cave :D:

At least I have some sort of dominion over two of them...okay not really.
I'm very thankful to have boys. Ktulu, feel free to come hang out if the estrogen levels become overwhelming.

Re: Up

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:19 am
by Amphigorey
BRWombat wrote:You make a good point. The Little Mermaid is still one of my all-time favorites. It has a definitely female-centered story, with a very flawed heroine who matures a bit.

But a question -- and I don't mean to be provocative, I'm honestly wanting to learn: do you notice these things so that they bother you during the movie, or do you think about them afterward? Because, honestly, I go to a film, am entertained (or not), but I don't analyze it while I'm watching it for its social messages, or inclusiveness or lack of it.
It depends on the movie, really.

I think I wouldn't enjoy movies nearly as much as I do if I didn't bother to analyze them. Where's the fun if you don't get to chew on them afterwards? So I suppose you could say that I go to movies for the same reason you do - to be entertained - but analysis is part of the entertainment for me.
That's why I liked "Moon" so much; there were so many things to talk about!

Some things I can't help but notice. It's not that I'm looking to make feminist or social commentary every minute of my day; it's that sometimes I can hardly escape it, because it jumps out at me. Unfortunately, sexism (and racism and ageism and ableism and and and... I get tired just thinking about all the -isms) is pervasive. Essentially, this means I, along with everyone else, am soaking in it. I don't have the time or energy to address or even think about every instance I come across, and if I did, I'd be very depressed. I try to pick my battles, and sometimes that means I'll be talking about little things or pop-culturey things, because that's what's crossed my path and my mind and that's what I have the energy to address that day.

Okay, that got a little long. Does that all make sense?

Re: Up

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:52 am
by BRWombat
Amphigorey wrote:It depends on the movie, really.

I think I wouldn't enjoy movies nearly as much as I do if I didn't bother to analyze them. Where's the fun if you don't get to chew on them afterwards? So I suppose you could say that I go to movies for the same reason you do - to be entertained - but analysis is part of the entertainment for me.
That's why I liked "Moon" so much; there were so many things to talk about!

Some things I can't help but notice. It's not that I'm looking to make feminist or social commentary every minute of my day; it's that sometimes I can hardly escape it, because it jumps out at me. Unfortunately, sexism (and racism and ageism and ableism and and and... I get tired just thinking about all the -isms) is pervasive. Essentially, this means I, along with everyone else, am soaking in it. I don't have the time or energy to address or even think about every instance I come across, and if I did, I'd be very depressed. I try to pick my battles, and sometimes that means I'll be talking about little things or pop-culturey things, because that's what's crossed my path and my mind and that's what I have the energy to address that day.

Okay, that got a little long. Does that all make sense?
Sure. See, I don't see discrimination everywhere... but is that because it's not as pervasive as you say, or because I don't look for it? Too early in the morning for my brain to process... :)