Stupid Guest Tricks

uptown_girl44 wrote:The full statement you are refering to is "I could sterotype all of you as too stupid to hold an actual career. You work at an amusment park and have no ambition to do anything else." Could being the opretive word in that sentence.

well, I have to admit, at that point I just started skimming because of your spelling and grammar.

uptown_girl44 wrote:wow! I have never been more embaressed for others in my life, or ashamed to be associated with them. You chastise the cheerleaders for not being intelliagent, but have you actually talked to any of them? I cheered for 5 years and was lucky enough to qualify for nationals at wdw twice. I would also be willing to bet I am smarter than the majority of you.
I could sterotype all of you as too stupid to hold an actual career. You work at an amusment park and have no ambition to do anything else. These girls will get college scholorships for their skills. I would like to see any of you do a double down or a standing tuck or even explain to me what those are. I applaud them for practicing a sport that at many schools (as was mine) is not considered a sport. We were required to raise the $20,000 to go to nationals by fundrasing (i.e raffles car washes and 50/50 drawings). Our "sport" was year round leaving no time for anything else. Try outs were 2-4 weeks after nationals.
If any of you can get in front of a packed stadium and perform the routines these girls do, then complain. Once again sterotyping all of you as you are them I will say you are all too out of shape to even attempt them.

I will also not appologize for anything I am saying. You are all judging an entire group based on your opinions (gathered after less than one min of interaction) with a few of these girls. You are the ones that should be appologizing for sterotyping, something that I thought as adults we were all too mature for.

Well, I'm not thinking that ALL cheerleaders are annoying, but if you get together a large group of any kind, they will probably engage in behaviors that outsiders will not relate to. This is the site for discussion of unusual behavior of some visitors to Disney Parks, and tolerance of the views of some
posters here is recommended.
I am a Registered Nurse and sometimes stupid medical care is discussed here. I do not get offended, instead I strive to do my best for my patients everyday. Like some of the CM's here, I started out working for minimum, put myself through college, and supported my Family. For someone to feel and act superior to someone who is earning an honest living while they get a free ride to college is beyond arrogant and cruel. To assume that person has no other ambition and is therefore inferior to you....well, serves as an example of the bad behavior being discussed.

So, besides describing the maneuvers above , please tell us what your other ambitions are.

Gosh Uptown, what a heartfelt message. I'm willing to let “embaressed,” “intelliagent,” “sterotype,” “amusment,” “fundrasing,” “apologize,” and “apologizing” slide but the attack on hardworking, under appreciated and under paid Disney employees crosses the line. They've found a career they enjoy and keep at it while putting up with nitwits day in and day out.

What have you done with your scholarship money Uptown? Are you employed in a cool career where you got to upscale bistros for lunch every day? You must be in either fashion, communications or publishing. Or, did you decide to spend a few years helping your fellow man by joining the Peace Corp., becoming a nurse or maybe a fire fighter?

I'd like to take your bet on being "smarter than the majority of (us)." Do you know what a sucker bet is? You'll find out.

uptown_girl44 wrote: I would also be willing to bet I am smarter than the majority of you.
I could sterotype all of you as too stupid to hold an actual career. You work at an amusment park and have no ambition to do anything else. These girls will get college scholorships for their skills.
I will also not appologize for anything I am saying.

I think that most of the regulars on this board are Mensans or Mensa Eligible. I, for example am a retired Certified Public Accountant. Several of the other people here are retired from professional careers. I don't know if you have ever heard of Intertel, which is more restrictive than Mensa, but I was the International Treasurer of that organization for a couple of years in the 1990's.

And Disney is not an amusement park, Walt Disney World is a very large lodging and entertainment complex while the Disneyland Resort is the same, but smaller.

My personal opinion is that scholarships for athletics are extremely overrated and over awarded. The scholarships should be awarded for academic achievement.

What we do not need in this country are "Bread and Circuses".

(And incidentally, in the quote above you have made four spelling errors.)

uptown_girl44 wrote:wow! I have never been more embaressed for others in my life, or ashamed to be associated with them. You chastise the cheerleaders for not being intelliagent, but have you actually talked to any of them? I cheered for 5 years and was lucky enough to qualify for nationals at wdw twice. I would also be willing to bet I am smarter than the majority of you.
I could sterotype all of you as too stupid to hold an actual career. You work at an amusment park and have no ambition to do anything else. These girls will get college scholorships for their skills. I would like to see any of you do a double down or a standing tuck or even explain to me what those are. I applaud them for practicing a sport that at many schools (as was mine) is not considered a sport. We were required to raise the $20,000 to go to nationals by fundrasing (i.e raffles car washes and 50/50 drawings). Our "sport" was year round leaving no time for anything else. Try outs were 2-4 weeks after nationals.
If any of you can get in front of a packed stadium and perform the routines these girls do, then complain. Once again sterotyping all of you as you are them I will say you are all too out of shape to even attempt them.

I will also not appologize for anything I am saying. You are all judging an entire group based on your opinions (gathered after less than one min of interaction) with a few of these girls. You are the ones that should be appologizing for sterotyping, something that I thought as adults we were all too mature for.

First, as Cheshire Figment has said WDW is not just an amusement park. Also, many park CMs are either retired, work a full-time career elsewhere, working at WDW to get through school, using a job in the parks as a stepping stone to better jobs at WDW, or many other reasons.

I personally am planning on getting a job at WDW as soon as possible, finishing school in the area, and eventually moving into an IT position with the company. There are also many, many, many jobs at WDW that are "actual careers". It takes a lot of professional people to keep 4 theme parks, 2 water parks, many hotels, a complex transportation system, and so on running. My uncle started worked for Disney in high school and has been there for over 25 years. He is now an important electrical engineer with them.

When nearly every cheerleader that CMs see are like the ones described in this thread then that isn't stereotyping, that's describing what the cheerleaders they see are like.

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Okay, everybody, let's take a quick break here. Just as on this site, we don't say that all guests are stupid and you have to qualify for the SG pin here, the same is said for stupid cheerleaders.

There is also a common understanding that being teens in large groups with the group mentality, there is a tendency toward the stupid. I think we can all agree that calling one stupid because they are a cheerleader, football player, janitor, President, dog catcher, cashier etc. is idiotic in nature. I read nowhere in this thread that all cheerleaders are stupid, nor are all Brazilian tour group members, church group members, convention attendees, etc... but they all have their gems, and those are the ones that stick in our minds, because the good ones don't stand out for being bad. Also, when you get people into large groups that either know each other or have something in common, you are going to get a herd mentality. That, combined with many other factors that assault, massage and manipulate the senses the way Disney World does increase these tendencies in large groups. Also, large groups tend to not care about the experience of the other guests around them and can be quite rude.

Uptown_girl, I would first like to ask whom you are embarrassed to be associated with. Cast Members, or cheer leaders? If so, why either? Cast Members because of our experiences, or cheer leaders because of the annoyance that some Cast Members experience when they ask the first cheerleader how many in their group, the cheerleader responds with a number (like four, thinking only of her and the three others she wants to sit with, not the entire thirty-person group) and then the entire group of thirty tries to follow that four that the Cast Member was counting for? At that point there can be any number of factors going through the Cast Member's head, because there can potentially be a situation that can turn unsafe very, very quickly (people crowded into a load platform, then trying to get too many people onto a ride vehicle, etc.) or a situation that takes a good deal of time to fix, effectively shutting down the attraction for valuable seconds (which doesn't seem like much until you realize there are tens of thousands of people wanting to ride that attraction TODAY). Today on my loading platform, I had a group that came up and when I asked how many, they answered "Seven and three". Instead of taking the second to add up their number, I just repeated the first number that came into my head... thirteen. Of course, they finally corrected me, but I had so many other things I was thinking about that simple math was literally too much. Normally, I could put that together in my head very quickly, but a loader has a lot of things to remember and keep straight, where people are. If we're double loading safaris, we're keeping track of roughly 80 people at a time, and adding up to ten in the most creative ways possible (or saying you have three and a half people in your party, etc) is just time consuming.

So there is a certain reasoning behind any annoyance you read here. Anything you see here is also posted with the mindset that it's not all cheerleaders that are like that. With the right group on Safari where they are excited but not *too* loud or doing cheers on the safari, cheerleader groups can be tons of fun. But again, when you're dealing with the herd mentality, which humans can very easily fall into when you get more than about five humans together), and cheerleader groups are certainly big enough to meet that criteria.

Now, what's my background? I went to a high school where, if you didn't get something, a cheerleader was probably a good contact person to get help. All the cheerleaders at my school were required to maintain 3.6 or higher GPA's, and the cheerleaders were awesome community servants. I don't believe that being a cheerleader makes you stupid or smart.


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But the herd mentality will never help your IQ. I have literally found my own way home from church events in public places (similar to Night of Joy) because the other Christians I was with were embarrassing in their conduct, and by association I looked bad. After a trip as the bus driver for a youth group I had been heavily involved in, I vowed to never again drive for them.

Don't come here insulting Cast Members and their work ethic or offering to do so. I know or have met more Cast Members who are retired rocket scientists, professors, engineers, creative specialists and designers, successful business owners, decorated soldiers, lawyers, pastors or doctors than in any other place I have worked or played. Those would just be the ones I personally have met. Only job description I don't know of any Cast Member having in their past is astronaut. I dare you to try to find the concentration of good, well-rounded people anywhere else. Learn my story. I took a large pay cut and a move across the entire country in order to be a Cast Member working harder than ever. How many peoples days did you brighten this week by showing up for work and doing your best? I know I've done it for thousands. The other morning, I got to take a family on their own private safari where I could point out animals that I know other people will miss. I was able to give them a treat they will not soon forget. I know a gentleman who came and rode my safari with his family to give them memories of something fun with him before they lost him. I drove at least a dozen children who were here on the Make A Wish program, on what is probably the last real fun they are going to have, the last time they are going to get a week not thinking about the disease that, in the end, will win and take them from their families. I got to show one little boy his favorite animal in the world. Within the next couple days or weeks, he will have his final thoughts on this earth and hopefully one of them will include the memory that I get to be a part of, although if I did it right they won't remember me specifically.

In whatever job that you do that makes you so much better, more talented, prettier, smarter and stronger than the rest of us, how many lives did you touch in any sort of special way?

I'm going to pretend that you didn't say that you feel you can stereotype all of us as "too stupid to hold an actual career." I will not suspend your account just yet for trying to start a flame war.

I will not appologize or apologize for what I am saying to you. You fail to recognize the fact that many of our members are well-educated, that the OP in this thread is a guest and gets his opinion from what he experiences in the parks and how the actions and attitude of a group of people diminish his experience as a guest. But I probably shouldn't bring that up.

I also won't say what's been said before, that when you come here to insult our intelligence, you should check your speling*.

Now, if you wish to have an intelligent discussion, I would like to have that with you. If not, then there's always that "Timeout" button that I've been itching to try.

Big Wallaby
Moderator
Stupid Guest Tricks

*Yes, I do know.

Bravo, BW! Very well said.

uptown_girl44 wrote:wow! I have never been more embaressed for others in my life, or ashamed to be associated with them. You chastise the cheerleaders for not being intelliagent, but have you actually talked to any of them? I cheered for 5 years and was lucky enough to qualify for nationals at wdw twice. I would also be willing to bet I am smarter than the majority of you.
I could sterotype all of you as too stupid to hold an actual career. You work at an amusment park and have no ambition to do anything else. These girls will get college scholorships for their skills. I would like to see any of you do a double down or a standing tuck or even explain to me what those are. I applaud them for practicing a sport that at many schools (as was mine) is not considered a sport. We were required to raise the $20,000 to go to nationals by fundrasing (i.e raffles car washes and 50/50 drawings). Our "sport" was year round leaving no time for anything else. Try outs were 2-4 weeks after nationals.
If any of you can get in front of a packed stadium and perform the routines these girls do, then complain. Once again sterotyping all of you as you are them I will say you are all too out of shape to even attempt them.

I will also not appologize for anything I am saying. You are all judging an entire group based on your opinions (gathered after less than one min of interaction) with a few of these girls. You are the ones that should be appologizing for sterotyping, something that I thought as adults we were all too mature for.

Yeah, bad call. a lot of us here don't work for WDW, not that it matters. I would venture to say that I would stack my three degrees, and my years of teaching at the graduate level up to your self proclaimed "intelliagent" (your spelling by the way) Not to mention over 35 years working to make this country a little better. How do you feel about maps and geography?

If you read the post, if you can read and comprehend, you would realize that we are not demeaning cheerleaders for the "sport" but for the adolescent behaviour, and total lack of manners and consideration for others at a resort.

The rest of you argument about having car washes, and performing in front of a full stadium has absoutely nothing to do with the bad behaviour displayed by the participants.

If I hurt your feelings...hey..Pirate!

Well, I looked on eHow.com and guess what? They explained how to do a double-down and standing tuck. How anyone can go as long as I did without that info- well it is just a crime, I tell ya!
To think that I was wasting my whole week studying for my Advanced Cardiac Life Support recertification......
You know, those silly things that doctors and nurses need to know when we have a patient who needs defibrillation and life-saving drugs.
Yeah, I passed.....big deal.....I'll never be a cheerleader