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Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:27 am
by GRUMPY PIRATE
Yep, people don't realize just how easy it is to die!!
I was reading on the (Xboard) a thread about "thank heaven" a father and his four kids were found, praise everything, a christmas miracle!! I posted that the dumb ass should be prosecuted for child endangerment! Dip shit took his kids to the mountains in California to "get a christmas tree" and got lost in the woods, at first they thought that they had gone there without any heavy clothing but they did have some jackets. they had been missing for over three days, and SUPRISE, a SNOW storm had blanketed the area. Hypothermia for everyone!!
They had found his truck on the side of the road. He never told anyone Where he was going or when he would be expectged back, and he had "never seen snow" as he had lived his life in the desert!!
Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:23 am
by Flame
Big Wallaby wrote:One thing about CPR, if the guy died early on in the ride, there was no way they were going to bring him back. I understand that if you don't start CPR in the first 45 seconds, your chances go down drastically after that, and keep falling every second between the medical event and CPR. Perhaps a nurse or medical professional can either back me up here or put me in my place.
i'm not a professional or anything, but from what i understand, at that point, not even CPR would help. but if he died after he got off the ride, it might have been easier. because even if his heart stops beating, the brain lives 4 to 6 minutes before you lose brain cells. so if you got him into a freezer that's very, very cold, you could preserve him for awhile until you find someone who would be willing to do a heart transplant (have to be same day though) and then you'd have to find someone who could do a fast enough heart transplant.
hell, not even any of that would be likely. i don't know if Disney has freezers cold enough, but even if they did i doubt you'd find a willing heart donor, or someone capable of doing a transplant in a few short minutes. even if that happened, he might have lost too many brain cells that he'd be as intelligent as the average 5 year old.
i can't imagine having to go through what this family is going through...my thoughts and sympathies go out to them.
Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:38 am
by Big Wallaby
Kwahati wrote:Edited to add: I'm glad that nurse was good enough with people to convince the guy...I'd have been jumping in the castle moat with him!
Yeah, that's my wife, too.
I love the solution they have for heat stroke as lifeguards.
Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:43 am
by CMGUY89
Gotta love nurses. My mom was a neurosurgical nurse for years, little did she know that she was going to have one son with learning disabilities, one who had a seizure and brain surgery, and her father who had multiple strokes. She sure got her money's worth!!!
Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:53 am
by Cranbiz
The only fault that I can blame Disney for on this one is the fact that there was not an AED at Everest.
I'm sure that there will be one there now. In fact, Disney should have an AED at every thrill ride. They are not that expensive now and a trained monkey (sorry, no offense meant Kwahati) can operate one.
I'm not sure that an AED would have prolonged the life here, but it would have silenced the critics.
Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:23 am
by Kwahati
Cranbiz wrote:(sorry, no offense meant Kwahati)
:hysteria: None taken, my friend.
I find another good way to silence the critics from our end is to simply not listen to and/or read them. I hate all the board X's out there at times like this with their ridiculous analysis and fake-ass "expert" opinions from people who know f*ck-all about the situation. [Although I'm still proud of Grumpy, Wallaby, and myself for making a correct diagnosis without ever actually seeing the patient! That should qualify us to be senators! :twisted: ]
Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:35 am
by ktulu
CMGUY89 wrote:
Another time woman came running up to me at front doors and was like "Some kid just fell and hit his head on the bench, I think we need a doctor!" So I go down and take a look at the toddler who fell. He had a HUGE bruise on his head. He was crying, a good sign, and I asked his mother what happened, if she wanted to medical attention. She refused initially but I convinced that they could at least come and take a look to make sure everything was ok. She said yes and I called an alpha-unit. I then had to make sure they kept the baby awake incase he had a head injury. I was treated and released on site.
Just gotta keep your wits about you...
The truth comes out...
Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:39 am
by CMGUY89
Oops, sorry about that.
Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:56 pm
by GRUMPY PIRATE
Flame wrote:i'm not a professional or anything, but from what i understand, at that point, not even CPR would help. but if he died after he got off the ride, it might have been easier. because even if his heart stops beating, the brain lives 4 to 6 minutes before you lose brain cells. so if you got him into a freezer that's very, very cold, you could preserve him for awhile until you find someone who would be willing to do a heart transplant (have to be same day though) and then you'd have to find someone who could do a fast enough heart transplant.
hell, not even any of that would be likely. i don't know if Disney has freezers cold enough, but even if they did i doubt you'd find a willing heart donor, or someone capable of doing a transplant in a few short minutes. even if that happened, he might have lost too many brain cells that he'd be as intelligent as the average 5 year old.
i can't imagine having to go through what this family is going through...my thoughts and sympathies go out to them.
They could ALWAYS put him next to Walt!!!
hehehehehe
(Sorry, could not resist!)
Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:05 pm
by Shorty82
Cranbiz wrote:The only fault that I can blame Disney for on this one is the fact that there was not an AED at Everest.
I'm sure that there will be one there now. In fact, Disney should have an AED at every thrill ride. They are not that expensive now and a trained monkey (sorry, no offense meant Kwahati) can operate one.
I'm not sure that an AED would have prolonged the life here, but it would have silenced the critics.
Was there no AED there? Nothing I've read has said if it did or not. If there is one then maybe in the panic of the moment the CMs forgot about it.
There should be an AED at pretty much every attraction, not just the thrill rides. In places like Fantasyland where a number of attractions are very close together then have one near the entrance of every couple attractions. An AED could be needed anywhere at anytime so should be available nearby no matter where you are at.
AEDs should also be standard equipment on the buses, monorails, and boats. Putting them on the Safari trucks would also be a good idea as access to those trucks in an emergency is somewhat limited.
Also, I'm betting the paramedics arrived very fast. My understanding is that there are paramedics on standby in all of the parks and DTD at all times during operating hours who drive what are essentially souped-up golf carts full of all kinds of medical supplies and that they arrive very, very quickly after being dispatched. I remember back at the end of either 2000 or 2001 I was walking near Splash and Big Thunder when I saw two paramedics pushing a gurney with medical supplies on it came up the hill that goes down and under the train station and disappeared through the crowd fast. I kind of tried to follow them but couldn't navigate the crowd as fast. They knew how to get through the crowd with their supplies very quickly and get to wherever they were going fast.