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Re: Another one bites the dust

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 10:45 am
by Disneyguy85
drcorey wrote:"Wait times for Pooh are always high?"
yeah really, I hate when I need to go and thier is a huge line in front.

"Practise safe Lunch, Use a Condiment"

Oh man, I should have seen that coming.

And condiments tend to increase fat content, that's not safe! So please everyone, when using a condiment go for one that is light.

Re: Another one bites the dust

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 10:52 am
by ktulu
I wonder if he only owns one pair of pants, socks, underwear and a shirt...

Re: Another one bites the dust

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 2:53 pm
by Honda Enoch
hobie16 wrote:Step outside, take a deep breath, and watch the flowers while counting to ten. Don't you feel better?
Your directing that to the wrong person. I am calm and civil. My comment was not yelling or negative. It was a simple statement explaining the options you have.

Re: Another one bites the dust

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 3:14 pm
by Main Streeter
hobie16 wrote:Step outside, take a deep breath, and watch the flowers while counting to ten. Don't you feel better?
hobie prevails again! :hi5:

Re: Another one bites the dust

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 4:09 pm
by CptnSkippy
Honda Enoch wrote: It may keep bringing new visitors, But the true hard core fans that helped make the park what it was will never love the new parks.
That's assuming the thoughts have to be in line with you to be a hardcore fan.

If things don't change at the parks, what is the incentive to come back? Different parts are interesting to different people, and tastes change over time. What was fascinating technology to those visiting in the 70's is standard to the kids of today.

From what you're saying, we shouldn't have Splash Mountain, Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin, Monters Inc Laugh Floor.

And if that's the case, Mickey's Toontown Fair is no problem since that wasn't there on opening day either. We should put in the park only what was there on opening day, then never update or change any of it.

Re: Another one bites the dust

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 5:08 pm
by Honda Enoch
CptnSkippy wrote:That's assuming the thoughts have to be in line with you to be a hardcore fan.
not many are more hard core then I am.

CptnSkippy wrote:If things don't change at the parks, what is the incentive to come back?
To revisit your favorite attraction. NOT to revisit the part to see your favorite attraction demolished and replaced with (insert new crappy attraction here).


CptnSkippy wrote:From what you're saying, we shouldn't have Splash Mountain, Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin, Monters Inc Laugh Floor.
Adding Splash Mnt was fine all thought it did demolish the original Frontierland train station, it did not hurt anything else. they did not tear down Thunder Mnt to make it Splash Mnt. As for Buzz and Monsters inc, your very right in saying we should not have them. but if they were a MUST build, there is enough property at WDW to add and add and add and not run out of room. the is NO REASON to demolish a classic to create anything new. Then people that love the classics can still visit them and people that love the new can visit them. It's a win for all. Disney can still charge their $100/person admission and everyone is happy.

CptnSkippy wrote:And if that's the case, Mickey's Toontown Fair is no problem since that wasn't there on opening day either. We should put in the park only what was there on opening day, then never update or change any of it.
See above.

Re: Another one bites the dust

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 7:39 pm
by Shorty82
Honda Enoch wrote:So Toon Town fair is not an attraction??? Maybe no RIDES are being torn down, but ATTRACTIONS are.
We seem to be using different definitions for terms. I'm using standard Disney terms and their standard definitions. Toontown is a Land, while rides (Goofy's Barnstormer), shows (Mickey's Philarmagic), and the like are Attractions.
So lets not fix it. Lets just tear it down.
Toontown is really showing it's age, especially backstage, and not in a good way. The buildings themselves just weren't built to last a long time. The best solution is to tear it down and rebuild it.
The play ground is being MOVED to another location. Pooh is going to have a rather LARGE plot in the new expansion.
Really? I haven't heard that. I'll have to ask around and see what I can find out. Someone in my area ought to know about that considering I am a Fantasyland Ops CM.
It may keep bringing new visitors, But the true hard core fans that helped make the park what it was will never love the new parks.
Again, Walt himself wanted the parks to change. He didn't want everything to remain stagnant. Change is important, it brings new guests to the park and gives people a reason to come back. In the end it all boils down to what makes the most financial sense for the company. Disney is a corporation in business to make money.

Yes there is plenty of room on property to build new things without tearing down old things but it wouldn't make financial sense. It costs a lot of money to build, operate, and maintain attractions. Not the least of which is the pay of the CMs to run the rides. Also, there's just not much room left in the MK to expand. About the only available space of large enough size within the berms is the old 20,000 Leagues lagoon, which has been empty for many years. That area is where the Little Mermaid attraction and the Beauty and the Beast restaurant will be built.

The expansion will be a very good thing for WDW. Dumbo, a classic, is doubling in size which will help a LOT. That attraction is always very busy and has a very low hourly ride count.

Re: Another one bites the dust

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 8:02 pm
by Honda Enoch
Shorty82 wrote:We seem to be using different definitions for terms. I'm using standard Disney terms and their standard definitions. Toontown is a Land, while rides (Goofy's Barnstormer), shows (Mickey's Philarmagic), and the like are Attractions.
Ok, fine Mickey's House, Minnie's House, Donald's House, and EVERYTHING elee that makes up toon town are ATTRACTIONS. ALL being torn down.


Shorty82 wrote:Toontown is really showing it's age, especially backstage, and not in a good way. The buildings themselves just weren't built to last a long time. The best solution is to tear it down and rebuild it.
But they are not doing that, they are tearing it down and replacing it.


Shorty82 wrote:Really? I haven't heard that. I'll have to ask around and see what I can find out. Someone in my area ought to know about that considering I am a Fantasyland Ops CM.
See the disney parks blog they posted a video about it last week.


Shorty82 wrote:Again, Walt himself wanted the parks to change. He didn't want everything to remain stagnant. Change is important, it brings new guests to the park and gives people a reason to come back. In the end it all boils down to what makes the most financial sense for the company. Disney is a corporation in business to make money.
Don't EVEN bring Walt into this If he were alive today he would fire every employee that worked for Disney Co. Walt's vision of Disney died along with him.
Shorty82 wrote:Yes there is plenty of room on property to build new things without tearing down old things but it wouldn't make financial sense. It costs a lot of money to build, operate, and maintain attractions. Not the least of which is the pay of the CMs to run the rides. Also, there's just not much room left in the MK to expand. About the only available space of large enough size within the berms is the old 20,000 Leagues lagoon, which has been empty for many years. That area is where the Little Mermaid attraction and the Beauty and the Beast restaurant will be built.
Oh Please, financial sense. HA HA HA Disney throws away more money each year then you and I could ever imagine.

Shorty82 wrote:The expansion will be a very good thing for WDW. Dumbo, a classic, is doubling in size which will help a LOT. That attraction is always very busy and has a very low hourly ride count.
Yes, a few of the things coming with this expansion are long time needed, like the Dumbo change. But most of it is un needed crap just being used as an excise to tear down classic attractions.

Re: Another one bites the dust

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 9:29 pm
by ktulu
"You just can't please everybody. I don't want to please everybody. I'd get a little worried if I did something and everybody was pleased with it." -Walt Disney

Re: Another one bites the dust

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 9:43 pm
by kurtisnelson
ktulu wrote:"You just can't please everybody. I don't want to please everybody. I'd get a little worried if I did something and everybody was pleased with it." -Walt Disney
Tread carefully or you might get put in a padded cell for a week again.