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Re: SG or just plain Cruel

Post by hobie16 » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:20 pm

ktulu wrote:Well, first of all just smashing a window to save a child or pet from a hot car is just, well, plain silly.

In addition to smashing the window, they should pull out the jaws of life and rip the doors off, remove the roof and just for good measure, make sure all of the sheet metal has crease or two in it.
I like your thinking. Tim "The Toolman" Taylor should be brought in as a consultant.


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Re: SG or just plain Cruel

Post by Switchbeam 9 » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:51 pm

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Now I know that all these things will be justified by saying "I'm just exercising my dog." The problem I have with that is that as the owner all these decisions are your's. Your dog has no say in the matter. The dog cannot tell you that it doesn't feel 100% today and that running will be painful. You decide the speed to run, ride, skate or travel. The poor dog has no choice but to try it's best to keep up.

I know it isn't intended but in my mind this can be a form of animal cruelty. I've seen dogs with their tongues practically touching the ground, stumbling and even falling. It just seems wrong to me. Can anyone explain why this is done on such a regular basis and why it is OK?
My dog would let me know when she wanted to walk. She would grab the leash and follow us around the house with it. Then once one of us gave her attention, she would get excited and start hopping around while putting it on her collar.

It was pretty obvious she wanted to walk. Always been her choice.



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Re: SG or just plain Cruel

Post by darph nader » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:00 pm

ktulu wrote:Well, first of all just smashing a window to save a child or pet from a hot car is just, well, plain silly.

In addition to smashing the window, they should pull out the jaws of life and rip the doors off, remove the roof and just for good measure, make sure all of the sheet metal has crease or two in it.
You forgot the rescue saw. Chop up the car into 'bite sized' peices,body,frame,drive train. :twisted:

I forgot,QUIT USING THE WIIIIDE SCREEN MODE,I'm getting whip lash. :mad:



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Re: SG or just plain Cruel

Post by Randy B » Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:03 am

Goofyernmost wrote:I'm not a pet owner...I like animals but I am too self centered to take the proper care of one, so I let it go. I have taken care of things all my life and now I want to only have to worry about myself.

Since I do not own one, I was wondering something. Many times I have seen people out running with their dogs, riding bikes with the dog, on a leash, running along beside them, people skateboarding with a leashed dog running and, in my town, there is a gentleman in a motorized wheelchair that sometimes literally drags the dog behind him.

Now I know that all these things will be justified by saying "I'm just exercising my dog." The problem I have with that is that as the owner all these decisions are your's. Your dog has no say in the matter. The dog cannot tell you that it doesn't feel 100% today and that running will be painful. You decide the speed to run, ride, skate or travel. The poor dog has no choice but to try it's best to keep up.

I know it isn't intended but in my mind this can be a form of animal cruelty. I've seen dogs with their tongues practically touching the ground, stumbling and even falling. It just seems wrong to me. Can anyone explain why this is done on such a regular basis and why it is OK?
Many dogs like to run for exercise. Their comfortable travel speed tends to be quite a bit faster than most humans are comfortable with. Thus many people exercising their dogs find themselves being pulled along down the street. So some of us tried using a bicycle to keep up. The trick is to let the dog set the pace and just match it with the bike. There is a problem tho. If your dog is anything like my dog (many years gone to the dog run in the sky after a very long life), they have a passion for small furry creatures that hop. When on a run, if one is spotted in a yard, or is flushed from cover along the roadway, the dog tends to abandon whatever destination it had in mind and make an immediate course correction in the direction of the small furry critter. Most often this is at a 90 deg angle to the long axis of the bicycle. The resuit is an abrupt and painful contact between the bike rider and the road surface. :eek:

Some time after learning this truth I had a good example of how much force a small, determined dog can exert. This was back in the late 60s and my grandfather had a VW Bug. He came for a visit and parked in our drive. He left the car in 1st gear. I hooked my dogs leash on the bumper while I spoke to my grandfather. My dog, a terrior mix, with a choke collar, spotted a bunny and preceded to pull the car halfway down the drive before we noticed.

Now I agree that when exercising a dog with a vehicle, you do need to set the pace to the dog and let them decide when to stop and how fast to go. But I have experience that dogs will regularly run along with a tongue hanging out and panting like crazy and actually show indications that I wants to "take it out of first gear and really open up".

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Re: SG or just plain Cruel

Post by Main Streeter » Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:30 am

My 2 beautiful American Cockers go to DLR Kennel if we are leaving on a long road trip. They like the kennel on Property & I know they are safe. :dog8: My Calico always goes to a very competent sitter where she is spoiled & protected. :supercat: My horse always has care & a modern stable. BTW, next to his stall is a large beer cooler. darph would love this set up. :D:



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Re: SG or just plain Cruel

Post by Randy B » Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:51 am

Main Streeter wrote:My horse always has care & a modern stable. BTW, next to his stall is a large beer cooler. darph would love this set up. :D:
Has your horse figured how to trigger the beer dispenser yet? :D:

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Re: SG or just plain Cruel

Post by Big Wallaby » Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:59 am

Main Streeter wrote:BTW, next to his stall is a large beer cooler. darph would love this set up. :D:
Wow! You own a Clydesdale?!? :D:


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Re: SG or just plain Cruel

Post by Main Streeter » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:23 am

Randy B wrote:Has your horse figured how to trigger the beer dispenser yet? :D:
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LOL No, Jakota :horse2: leaves this to my brothers. :D: No trigger on very old Coke container. Only bottles & cans are used by the "incorrigibles." I then recycle all @ DLR for the Guide Dog Project. :dog1:



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Post by Driver_dylan » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:23 am

Update: Little Lucky has gone to a better place. (gatcha) He has been adopted by a Manager from Vacation Planning. He deserves all her love and a nice home. I am happy.


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Re: SG or just plain Cruel

Post by Main Streeter » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:37 am

Driver_dylan wrote:Update: Little Lucky has gone to a better place. (gatcha) He has been adopted by a Manager from Vacation Planning. He deserves all her love and a nice home. I am happy.
Driver, THIS IS WONDERFUL!!! EXCELLENT post!! :trophy: Thank you for keeping us up to date. :king: Lucky found Magic @ WDW after all! Perfect! :)



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