What is so Difficult about a Turnstile

[Shorty82]

I guess people really do not do any research before buying tickets. This is something I just do not understand. If I am going to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on tickets I want to be a 100 percent sure they are legit.

Buying something like tickets off craiglist just seems so risky.

Also these vendors off 192 that claim to sell cheap disney tickets. The tickets say non tranferable right on the ticket. Why would anybody buy a used ticket that says non transferable. To me if I saw that on a used ticket I would have red flags going off in my head.

Its just insane

They're trying to save a few bucks but in the end it doesn't work and it winds up costing them much more. I hate all those cheap ticket places on 192, they exist solely to scam people. I've never gone to one but I bet they pay next to nothing to people selling their tickets and sell them for quite a bit more. The problem is as fast as one gets shut down another pops up down the street. I heard the actual owners of these joints are disconnected enough to avoid getting arrested and when one of their places gets shut down they bail out their employees and move down the street.

Yes, tickets from legit sources (of which there are plenty) are expensive but it's a lot less than buying your tickets from a non-legit place and having to then buy tickets at the gate (which costs more than getting them in advance).

It's amazing what people will pay for. I've seen Fastpasses for sale on eBay before, with the expiration date and details (not for sale, non-transferable, etc.) clearly visible. These weren't some sort of special Fastpasses either, they were normal, everyday Fastpasses and the seller was trying to pass them off as valid.

[Goofyernmost]

They're trying to save a few bucks but in the end it doesn't work and it winds up costing them much more. I hate all those cheap ticket places on 192, they exist solely to scam people. I've never gone to one but I bet they pay next to nothing to people selling their tickets and sell them for quite a bit more. The problem is as fast as one gets shut down another pops up down the street. I heard the actual owners of these joints are disconnected enough to avoid getting arrested and when one of their places gets shut down they bail out their employees and move down the street.

Yes, tickets from legit sources (of which there are plenty) are expensive but it's a lot less than buying your tickets from a non-legit place and having to then buy tickets at the gate (which costs more than getting them in advance).

It's amazing what people will pay for. I've seen Fastpasses for sale on eBay before, with the expiration date and details (not for sale, non-transferable, etc.) clearly visible. These weren't some sort of special Fastpasses either, they were normal, everyday Fastpasses and the seller was trying to pass them off as valid.

Back in the day, those places worked really well. All tickets had rubber stamped dates on them in the line indicating how many days were used and how many were still available. They were non-refundable then, but no one had anyway of linking the original buyer to the current ticket holder. If you wanted to sell to them, they would give you about 30 cents on the dollar for them and you would have paid about 70 cents on the dollar when you bought them.

This was back in the 80's when a 3 day World Passport was about $40.00. A lot of times I went and was only going to be able to go for two days so I would buy one with two days left. Never had a problem. I might add, before I get shot or something...at the time it never even crossed my mind that it wasn't OK to do. I thought that if these guys were illegal they would be shut down. They were right there in clear view.

[Shorty82]

Back in the day, those places worked really well. All tickets had rubber stamped dates on them in the line indicating how many days were used and how many were still available. They were non-refundable then, but no one had anyway of linking the original buyer to the current ticket holder. If you wanted to sell to them, they would give you about 30 cents on the dollar for them and you would have paid about 70 cents on the dollar when you bought them.

This was back in the 80's when a 3 day World Passport was about $40.00. A lot of times I went and was only going to be able to go for two days so I would buy one with two days left. Never had a problem. I might add, before I get shot or something...at the time it never even crossed my mind that it wasn't OK to do. I thought that if these guys were illegal they would be shut down. They were right there in clear view.

Times change. I'm sure it is partially because of places like those that the biometric Ticket Tag system was introduced. I'm sure that Disney and law enforcement work together closely (and have for years) to shut down the illegal ticket retailers but it takes time to get enough evidence to shut one down and by then more have cropped up. At the time it may have been okay to sell and buy used tickets but eventually Disney decided to make tickets non-transferable and came up with a way to enforce it.

Forty bucks for a 3 day passport?! Wow, and to think nearly 30 years later a one day, one park ticket is something like $85 at the gate (they just recently went up a few bucks).

[Big Wallaby]

Someone I worked with in Monorails was once telling me how he had a buddy at one of those places that he would sell his hard tickets to, and the guy would give him $50 each. He was ALWAYS offering that if I wanted to get rid of some of mine he'd be happy to be a go-between. Always said I'd think about it, which I did for a nanosecond before realizing that I had someone to whom I would MUCH rather give that ticket.

Shortly before I left the department, the guy I worked with told me the girl he lived with was baking something of his, never did get what he was talking about, but it must have been quite a dish, since it had been in the oven for three months, and had another six to go.

I moved on, and a year later found out that his buddy's shop had been raided. They found some of his tickets, which he felt okay about since they scratched his name off of them before reselling them.

Many of my tickets did go to waste, sadly. But I could go back to Casting at any time and get a job back if I wanted it. Oh, and I have my honor that I never took someone into the parks that I didn't know personally, and never could you accuse me of selling my tickets.

[Epeyon]

Those places rarely break any actual laws, which is why they're so hard to shut down. There's no law that says I can't pay you $5 for two days left on a 4 day ticket.

Usually the ones that get shut down are the ones that dip into fraudulent tickets or other shady business.

[NemoRanger]

Someone I worked with in Monorails was once telling me how he had a buddy at one of those places that he would sell his hard tickets to, and the guy would give him $50 each. He was ALWAYS offering that if I wanted to get rid of some of mine he'd be happy to be a go-between. Always said I'd think about it, which I did for a nanosecond before realizing that I had someone to whom I would MUCH rather give that ticket.

I moved on, and a year later found out that his buddy's shop had been raided. They found some of his tickets, which he felt okay about since they scratched his name off of them before reselling them.

Many of my tickets did go to waste, sadly. But I could go back to Casting at any time and get a job back if I wanted it. Oh, and I have my honor that I never took someone into the parks that I didn't know personally, and never could you accuse me of selling my tickets.

Every once in awhile I hear of cast members selling there comp hard tickets online or selling maingate entrance to strangers. A girl I worked at DHS does this all the time.

At one of my training classes they were telling us of some manager who had been with WDW for 30 years was busted selling Maingate passes for 50 bucks a piece and got over a 150 people before getting busted and terminated. Whether this true or just a bedtime story to scare us into not doing it I do not know.

Those hard tickets have our name and information printed right on them. I am sure they can easily trace the tickets back to us. I would even bet the maingate tickets issued from the turnstile could be traced back to us someway.

I have had friends offer me money to get friends of thiers in the park for free and I turn them down everytime. Mostly I would rather use my hard earned Maingate and Comp tickets with my family and friends to actually hang out in the park with.

[Shorty82]

Those hard tickets have our name and information printed right on them. I am sure they can easily trace the tickets back to us. I would even bet the maingate tickets issued from the turnstile could be traced back to us someway.

Comps (both electronic and hard), Maingate pass tickets, etc. are all traceable to the CM they were issued too. If you let someone in using your Maingate pass and they do something to get into trouble their tickets are checked the CM who let them in will be known. The CM will get into trouble as CMs are responsible for their guest's behavior.

It is totally against company policy to sell your comp and Maingate tickets. If you are caught doing so you will be terminated. Comp and Maingates are so we can get our friends and family into the parks, they aren't so we can make a few extra bucks.

[NemoRanger]

Comps (both electronic and hard), Maingate pass tickets, etc. are all traceable to the CM they were issued too. If you let someone in using your Maingate pass and they do something to get into trouble their tickets are checked the CM who let them in will be known. The CM will get into trouble as CMs are responsible for their guest's behavior.

It is totally against company policy to sell your comp and Maingate tickets. If you are caught doing so you will be terminated. Comp and Maingates are so we can get our friends and family into the parks, they aren't so we can make a few extra bucks.

That is what I tell my friends who ask me. I tell I like my job way to much.

[Big Wallaby]

Many of the ticket places require you to take a timeshare tour. And asd far as the legality, beyond that, I know nothing.

Those hard tickets have our name and information printed right on them. I am sure they can easily trace the tickets back to us.

I am not nearly so worried about the name as the numbers which, by the way, are required to make the ticket work.

Early on, I got some friends a room, and they started complaining to get free stuff. After that, it became very difficult to get me to let people in, even friends that I trusted.

That is what I tell my friends who ask me. I tell I like my job way to much.

And for that, you must protect those tickets like gold.

[Goofyernmost]

Times change. I'm sure it is partially because of places like those that the biometric Ticket Tag system was introduced. I'm sure that Disney and law enforcement work together closely (and have for years) to shut down the illegal ticket retailers but it takes time to get enough evidence to shut one down and by then more have cropped up. At the time it may have been okay to sell and buy used tickets but eventually Disney decided to make tickets non-transferable and came up with a way to enforce it.

Forty bucks for a 3 day passport?! Wow, and to think nearly 30 years later a one day, one park ticket is something like $85 at the gate (they just recently went up a few bucks).

This is an actual list of the 1983 Ticket prices. EPCOT Ctr. had just opened up in October of 1982. Kinda shocking isn't it?



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