Stupid Guest Tricks

I think the floor of Innoventions has been slowed down. But I could be wrong.

Also, the fact that you are stepping off through a door, where on one side of the door the ground is moving and on the other it is not, and if you exit on the right side your kids could go straight for the train tracks and you wind up in areas where you may or may not be able to be tracked... That's just a few ideas I have on that, having not closely examined the CoP...

Actually, at the outside edge where the doors are, I think it moves at a pretty good clip all things considered. I don't know about innoventions at Disneyland, but I would think the speed at CoP would make it risky, particularly if someone was somewhat unstable on their feet to begin with.

Anyone know the speed differential? :p:

Big Wallaby wrote:I think the floor of Innoventions has been slowed down. But I could be wrong.

Also, the fact that you are stepping off through a door, where on one side of the door the ground is moving and on the other it is not, and if you exit on the right side your kids could go straight for the train tracks and you wind up in areas where you may or may not be able to be tracked... That's just a few ideas I have on that, having not closely examined the CoP...

Well, according to the video posted, there is a wall around the outer edge of CoP on the back side so if you do exit you have to follow the wall to the front of the ride. So I don't think you could end up at the train tracks.

From what I remember the last time I was personally on CoP and it did have an issue there was a tall railing around near the back which you followed around back to the front of the attraction. So that is there for any kind of E-stop, so people will have to go around and end up back at the front line.
I snapped a picture via Google Maps, it looks to me like the train tracks are probably a good 30-40 feet away from the back of the ride. It also appears to be a pretty busy back area so it seems unlikely you wouldn't somehow be seen. I also somehow don't think anyone, even the most Stupid of stupid guests is going to miss a TRAIN coming at them and not get out of the way.

Darksin wrote:From what I remember the last time I was personally on CoP and it did have an issue there was a tall railing around near the back which you followed around back to the front of the attraction.

Yes, but it's just two bars -- not safe for young guests who tend to explore such areas and the 5-foot drop beyond.

... it looks to me like the train tracks are probably a good 30-40 feet away from the back of the ride.

The train isn't really the issue here. It's actually easier to reach the tracks from the guest area just northwest of CoP.

It also appears to be a pretty busy back area so it seems unlikely you wouldn't somehow be seen.

Actually, it's pretty quiet, and much of it is out of view of the busy areas there. We've found guests back there on several occasions. Some raiding the dumpsters for eBay souvenirs, and at least one drunk guest sleeping it off in the shade.

I also somehow don't think anyone, even the most Stupid of stupid guests is going to miss a TRAIN coming at them and not get out of the way.

You truly have *no* idea how often that happens. Twice my train came across someone walking or jogging along the track, and the engine crew were unable to attract their attention with bell and whistle to get them to step to one side!

And yes. Yes we did call OCSD. The guest's reply? "You can't arrest me for jogging on the railroad tracks!"

Turns out OCSD did not agree with that statement.

You would think by now nothing would surprise me yet somehow the level that stupid has gotten to in current days still manages to sneak up on me. Probably because I can't wrap my brain around that kind of stupid, thus thinking like an idiot eludes me.
I'm okay with that ;)

It's been so many years since I was backstage at Magic Kingdom I had no idea if things had changed back that way other then it seems the back area has slowed down. There used to be a lot of loading/unloading that way, at least in the past while I was hanging around. Perhaps I'm thinking further back also, as I said it's been a long while (Time Keeper was still there).

Zazu wrote:You truly have *no* idea how often that happens. Twice my train came across someone walking or jogging along the track, and the engine crew were unable to attract their attention with bell and whistle to get them to step to one side!

It's amazing how hard it is for people to hear a train coming, even the modern, much louder trains, for whatever reason, get missed as they make their approach. That's how so many pedestrians get turned into hamburger. Even if they didn't have headphones, though that does add to the problem in many cases. Anyone know why it is that a 115 dB train horn becomes hard to hear for someone on the tracks?

Of course, being the type of property they are, and with the laws on the books either federally or in every state, there is that little issue that it is illegal to walk on the railroad tracks.

When I have done photo shoots in the past where we wanted to use the cliche of railroad tracks (hey, they do look cool), I would always have several criteria before even considering the shoot:

1) A long distance before a turn in any direction.

2) A quiet area where we should supposedly hear any train coming a good distance away.

3) One spotter for each direction, doing nothing but watching for trains. At 80+ mph, they come up quick.

4) No equipment ever placed on the tracks or in the vicinity. This includes flashes, tripods, anything that we would have to pick up if a train was coming.

Better option? Don't use tracks, or find some nice abandoned tracks. Even with all my photoshoot rules in place, it's that much safer. Also, of the few photoshoots I have done on tracks, only one involved a model, the others were all of trains, with permission from an Amtrak employee who radioed the conductor and engineer to let them know that I was in the area or knew everything that would be coming through the station.

I am not the smartest person in the room, but one thing I do know, you don't want to mess with trains. They will win every time.

I rode CoP this past Thursday. The crowd was quiet and remained seated, sang along with the music and no one made a move through-out the show. However, as I was getting off the line a very large tour group was getting on, I don't know how that went.

Just a note here about something I hadn't seen in a long while. Although the crowds were moderate (just right for me) shows like CoP, the Tiki Room, Country Bears and even the "peoplemover" were full and had lines waiting. I hadn't seen that in ages. No one took photos on Pirates or Haunted Mansion or any other place for that matter.

I didn't get run into by any ETV's or strollers (never have actually), did not see anyone smoking out of designated areas. I saw no one having a melt down or even raising their voice. There were behaved tour groups there that did a little chanting while walking from one attraction to another, but never during one. Cheerleaders were on site and I heard a couple of minor cheers randomly happening, but again nothing to write home to mom about. If anyone cut into lines...I didn't see them. All in all a good week at the World.

There comes a point where you have to be somewhat rude. Otherwise, the guests will simply continue to do whatever they want. I suspect that he had requested politely that they remain seated multiple times before this person pulled the camera out...

KingsIslander wrote:I suspect that he had requested politely that they remain seated multiple times before this person pulled the camera out...

I believe you are correct. That's the problem with a lot of stuff on YouTube -- entirely out of context, no back story. There's a reason people want to know "who hit first" -- I think the act of hitting can be justified by non-contact aggression, myself, but what most people are trying to figure out with "who hit first" is "who was the real aggressor" here. If someone is screaming threats and blocking you in a confined space, hitting or otherwise striking them in an attempt to get free can be a perfectly reasonable response. Not necessarily the wisest choice (depending on your odds of getting free of them), but a common and understandable one.

Likewise, screaming at someone who has refused to listen to more moderate warnings is reasonable, while blowing up at someone first thing is not. Filming the end result and then posting it is kind of a cheat, IMHO. Probably the person filming it doesn't even know what went before.