Stupid Guest Tricks

As a former prosecutor of child abuse cases, specializing in child sexual abuse, I understand where the OP was coming from. Most pedpervs do not molest children until they have for a period of time gotten their thrills from just watching children. This often happens in public places where children congregate. It is only after they no longer get their silent thrills through visuals (watching, porn, etc.) that they move on to actual molestation. I do not believe that the OP was saying that CMs or guests are all pedpervs, just that the large child population at Disney attracts them and parents who act in the cavalier manner he described are feeding their fantasies. When I am at Disney, I make a point of looking too, but not at the kids but at the adults who are looking at the kids. I have gotten pretty good at spotting the pedpervs. When I see someone who is acting the least bit inappropriately (touching himself, etc.), I immediately ask a CM to call security and tell them what I have observed. You can never be too vigilant where children are concerned, even if their own parents are not.

mgilmer wrote:As a former prosecutor of child abuse cases, specializing in child sexual abuse, I understand where the OP was coming from. Most pedpervs do not molest children until they have for a period of time gotten their thrills from just watching children. This often happens in public places where children congregate. It is only after they no longer get their silent thrills through visuals (watching, porn, etc.) that they move on to actual molestation. I do not believe that the OP was saying that CMs or guests are all pedpervs, just that the large child population at Disney attracts them and parents who act in the cavalier manner he described are feeding their fantasies. When I am at Disney, I make a point of looking too, but not at the kids but at the adults who are looking at the kids. I have gotten pretty good at spotting the pedpervs. When I see someone who is acting the least bit inappropriately (touching himself, etc.), I immediately ask a CM to call security and tell them what I have observed. You can never be too vigilant where children are concerned, even if their own parents are not.

Thank You!! I didn't mean any real harm...Just I worry about these things. I see these half naked kids...and despite cultural differences (like topless little girls in Blizzard or Typhoon) it's just bad news. I did have to call security one day on a man taking pictures of little kids around the park and that just makes me sick. And as for today's society as a whole...I guess I grew up old fashioned but these bikini's for kids are just whack! They barely hold anything for the imagination on a grown up so why do that to a child and make them see it as the cool thing?? I've just never been a fan.

felinefan wrote:And there are quite a few cases of strangers abducting children and raping them. I remember the "Beware of Strangers" films we saw as kids; of course they didn't talk about sexual abuse, they left it open that something bad would happen to them, or they would never see their mommies and daddies again. Like there was a scene where this little girl was playing in her front yard with her Raggedy Ann doll, and a stranger came up to her, took her by the hand and said "Come with me, and I'll get you some ice cream." The girl left her doll behind; the camera focused on the doll, as if it was a silent witness to the kidnapping. Adam Walsh was kidnapped in public from a shooping mall, and his headless body was found later. They never found his head. To this day, we have a "Code Adam" system in stores, where if a child goes missing in a store and they can't be found, the store calls a Code Adam, the doors are locked, and they don't get opened until the child is found. And of course his father John Walsh hosts America's Most Wanted on T.V..

Of course, some child molesters do make friends with their potential victim before attacking them.

That isn't exactly how they taught it at my workplace. I was told "make reasonable efforts to delay the suspect if he/she attempts to leave but do NOT lock the doors or blockade them." So what are we to do if the suspect is seen running out the door with the child in his/her arms?

strlnblue wrote:That isn't exactly how they taught it at my workplace. I was told "make reasonable efforts to delay the suspect if he/she attempts to leave but do NOT lock the doors or blockade them." So what are we to do if the suspect is seen running out the door with the child in his/her arms?

When i worked at an arcade/fun park, our director of security's answer was "Tackle his ass." Not sure how it would hold up in court, but luckily we never had to try it out either.

We'd lock the front arcade doors and post an employee at each gate (they were all on the same side of the building, so visually, it could be done by one person out front. The child always turned up within a minute or two, usually after he died on Mortal Kombat or finished his go cart race.

CptnSkippy wrote:security's answer was "Tackle his ass."

ROFL Sounds so Ernie. :D: :D: :D:

I Just want to take a moment to point something out. . .

Hasn't anyone else noticed the increased amount of parinoa in our post 9/11 society.

I mean, yes, protect your kids and use common sense, but, really not everyone sitting on a bench resting their tired feet as the wife empties his wallet, watching the kids play in the fountain, is SOMEONE TO BE WATCHED!

Maybe thier just tired, hot and broke. (I'm kidding about the wife part, calm down).

Frankly, I'm tired of using "protect our kids", "be vigilant" and the rest as an excuse to SUSPECT EVERYONE and constantly poke our noses into other people's personal, private, perfectly lawful business. 99.9999% of the time a person sitting on the a bench is just that, a person. We let the media fill our heads with all sorts of stuff, when, truthfully, that stuff isn't nearly as common as we are led to believe. We only hear about the bad guys, not about the 99.999999% good ones. But, no, we have to live in a world of fear and suspicision, and frankly, I'm so tired of it.

This is what they stole from us on 9/11 and it is a real shame. Even sadder is that no one realizes it. That is the world I miss.

I am not defending those who do harm, and I certainly not defending those that prey on others, I'm saying that we have let those people destroy our freedoms and turn us into a parinoid mess.

Is this the society we want? I must be wrong, because few agree with me.

Everyone needs to take a step back and re-read 1984, this scary tale becomes truer every day.

Just my 2 cents, not a personal flame on anyone.

Dolby1000

Dolby1000 wrote:I Just want to take a moment to point something out. . .

Hasn't anyone else noticed the increased amount of parinoa in our post 9/11 society.

I mean, yes, protect your kids and use common sense, but, really not everyone sitting on a bench resting their tired feet as the wife empties his wallet, watching the kids play in the fountain, is SOMEONE TO BE WATCHED!

Maybe thier just tired, hot and broke. (I'm kidding about the wife part, calm down).

Frankly, I'm tired of using "protect our kids", "be vigilant" and the rest as an excuse to SUSPECT EVERYONE and constantly poke our noses into other people's personal, private, perfectly lawful business. 99.9999% of the time a person sitting on the a bench is just that, a person. We let the media fill our heads with all sorts of stuff, when, truthfully, that stuff isn't nearly as common as we are led to believe. We only hear about the bad guys, not about the 99.999999% good ones. But, no, we have to live in a world of fear and suspicision, and frankly, I'm so tired of it.

This is what they stole from us on 9/11 and it is a real shame. Even sadder is that no one realizes it. That is the world I miss.

I am not defending those who do harm, and I certainly not defending those that prey on others, I'm saying that we have let those people destroy our freedoms and turn us into a parinoid mess.

Is this the society we want? I must be wrong, because few agree with me.

Everyone needs to take a step back and re-read 1984, this scary tale becomes truer every day.

Just my 2 cents, not a personal flame on anyone.

Dolby1000

:thumbup:

goofyernmost wrote: :thumbup:

+1

Goofyernmost wrote: :thumbup:

Count me in.

There is definitely an increased amount of paranoia. Penn & Tell did a segment on their "Bullshit" show about how statistically unlikely any particular child is to become a victim of kidnapped. The odds are much, much, much higher for getting in a car crash, yet parents don't stop driving their kids around. I think kidnapping/stranger danger gives parents a convenient boogieman to focus on. The danger is just real enough to let them focus their anxiety there while in denail about the more pervasive and likely dangers.