Stupid Guest Tricks

Mayonnaise wrote: I'm not saying theirs anything wrong with being polite by holding doors for others. I'll pick up pace just a little to grab a door for an elderly individual, or a person of either gender who's arms are full, or who has little ones in tow. I just don't understand this idea that women should never have to open doors for ourselves. Why is it the "right" thing for a male always to open the door for a female, if we are now supposed to be equals now?

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We're not equal, I cannot carry a child and birth it, and my wife cannot write her name in the snow ;)

I hold doors open for everyone. I've had my 2 year old in one arm, the new baby (in her carrier) in the other arm and held the door open for people. It is not about being equal or anything like that, it is about being a better person and putting others before yourself.

hobie16 wrote:I always ask my wife if she left the seat up.

No kidding, if I had to sit every time, I'd double check that the seat was in the proper configuration!

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled topic. MAW rocks!

ktulu wrote:It is not about being equal or anything like that, it is about being a better person and putting others before yourself.

You're missing my point. I'm not saying I'm against people holding doors for others, I thought I made that quite clear when I said: "I'm not saying theirs anything wrong with being polite by holding doors for others." What I'm questioning is the idea that it's "right" that the man must always hold the door for the woman. Why, by conventional wistom, must the man "be the better person" and put the woman before himself? If the woman has arrived at the door first, then there's no reason she shouldn't "be the better person" and put the man before herself, by opening the door for him. We may have fairly different equipment down below, but men and women are, each of us (generally and with aberrations occurring regardless of gender) equipped with two sets of arms and hands perfect for opening doors... and adjusting toilet seats to proffered configurations.

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Mayonnaise wrote:You're missing my point. I'm not saying I'm against people holding doors for others, I thought I made that quite clear when I said: "I'm not saying theirs anything wrong with being polite by holding doors for others." What I'm questioning is the idea that it's "right" that the man must always hold the door for the woman. Why, by conventional wistom, must the man "be the better person" and put the woman before himself? If the woman has arrived at the door first, then there's no reason she shouldn't "be the better person" and put the man before herself, by opening the door for him. We may have fairly different equipment down below, but men and women are, each of us (generally and with aberrations occurring regardless of gender) equipped with two sets of arms and hands perfect for opening doors... and adjusting toilet seats to proffered configurations.

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Because its a sign of respect.

GRUMPY PIRATE wrote:Because its a sign of respect.

Exactly. The purpose of good manners is to make the people around us as comfortable as possible. I gladly open doors for others that need it, but I am also willing to ALLOW a gentleman to show his respect for me (and his good manners) by opening a door. It makes us both feel good. Now if I'm coming to a door and a man is not indicating that he is about to open the door for me, then I do it myself and move on with my day.

Mayonnaise wrote:You're missing my point. I'm not saying I'm against people holding doors for others, I thought I made that quite clear when I said: "I'm not saying theirs anything wrong with being polite by holding doors for others." What I'm questioning is the idea that it's "right" that the man must always hold the door for the woman. Why, by conventional wistom, must the man "be the better person" and put the woman before himself? If the woman has arrived at the door first, then there's no reason she shouldn't "be the better person" and put the man before herself, by opening the door for him. We may have fairly different equipment down below, but men and women are, each of us (generally and with aberrations occurring regardless of gender) equipped with two sets of arms and hands perfect for opening doors... and adjusting toilet seats to proffered configurations.

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I'm not challenging your point, I'm telling you why I personally do it. I see less and less of it everyday now, guys rushing to get on an elevator first while a woman stands there holding a bunch of stuff in her arms and then struggles to push the button. Hell, people don't even wait for the elevator to empty anymore. I told some kids in a the mall one day that generally one waits for the elevator to empty before boarding. The kid mouthed off to me and I went off on them. They followed us around the mall (upstairs mind you) until I yelled that if he wanted to continue our discussion he should man up and come downstairs to do it. The group turned and went the other way.

Like others said, it is also respectful. Same reason why we give up our seats to little ones, parents holding little ones, the old folks like Grumpy Pirate, Hobie, etc, on the busses at the end of a long day at WDW. Actually, if it was GP or Hobie, I'd tell them they can stand :D:

ktulu wrote:Like others said, it is also respectful. Same reason why we give up our seats to little ones, parents holding little ones, the old folks like Grumpy Pirate, Hobie, etc, on the busses at the end of a long day at WDW. Actually, if it was GP or Hobie, I'd tell them they can stand :D:

These young whippersnappers these days!!! Get my buggy whip!!!

Actually, I do give up my seat on busses. (the only ones I ride are the ones at WDW) And let DW set.

(plus I can rum off the bus faster, and get a ice cream bar!!)hehehehe

OR a Turtle Crawl!

GaTechGal wrote:Exactly. The purpose of good manners is to make the people around us as comfortable as possible. I gladly open doors for others that need it, but I am also willing to ALLOW a gentleman to show his respect for me (and his good manners) by opening a door. It makes us both feel good. Now if I'm coming to a door and a man is not indicating that he is about to open the door for me, then I do it myself and move on with my day.

I darn near always hold doors open for 'anybody',except for years ago a 'Womens-libber' told me "I can open my own door". Being polite,I slamed the door in her face. :D:
BOT,I hope the kids operation is a success.

Dude.

I have to make this kid a pink blankie. There has to be a way to get it to her thru the newspaper reporter. Gonna send an email to see.

Bru

p.s. just finished reading the thread and have to say- I hold doors for people whenever I can, male or female, and I'm working with one arm to do it with because one arm is tied up leaning against my crutch! Still, you'd be surprised how many people let doors go in MY face even seeing that I have mobility issues. It's sad but hey, that's life!

GRUMPY PIRATE wrote:Because its a sign of respect.

I still think you're missing Mayonnaise's point. Respect shouldn't be gendered. I don't want anyone to hold a door open because I'm a woman; I want them to hold a door open because I'm a person. Do you see the difference?

Amphigorey wrote:I still think you're missing Mayonnaise's point. Respect shouldn't be gendered. I don't want anyone to hold a door open because I'm a woman; I want them to hold a door open because I'm a person. Do you see the difference?

I think the point is mute.

If I hold a door open for anyone, male or female, which I have done and will continue to do, it is a sign of respect. Even if they are strangers.

I don't know the back story agenda that is trying to be made, but it dosn't matter.

I will continue to do what I consider courtesy in that, and other ways.

Would you want, say a CM (of any gender) being rude to your or your spouse? I think not.

Is it gender biased? probably, but guess what! Its NOT going to change.

Since this is a MAW thread, would you hold the door for anyone in a wheelchair, male or female?

Thats the way it is. Blue whale!