Stupid Guest Tricks

Sorry, I meant the first poster AFTER the OP (apologies to drcorey)

I thought Giselle was one of the funniest characters around, aside from Edward and Pip. Okay, they share that spotlight for me. Favorite thing about Edward was just how dense he was... oh, and the fact that I've seen sheets of paper that were deeper. I mean, he walks into an apartment proclaiming his salvation of Giselle with no one listening (but he doesn't care) because that's how it's done in the movies. I also love the fact he doesn't have any actual sex drive... not exactly sure why he does what he does, actually... And Giselle is neat because she starts out just as dense and grows up. I mean, the real lesson of the movie is that true, true love takes work.

And she doesn't so much steal another woman's man as trade. Another part that's funny.

Pip? Well, it's all the obvious reasons. Just remember, Silence Isn't Golden.
Okay, okay, stopping now.

Morning wrote:I'm not sure if you were joking or not, but if you weren't joking--- Giselle is apparently another attempt by Disney to have all girls under the age of 10 begging for princess dresses and all girls over the age of 10 to be dissatisfied with either 1) their looks or 2) their boyfriends. She is the star of Enchanted, the story of a beautiful princess being tormented by Susan Sarandon. Typecasting at its very best! Oh, and the evil Queen is another step-mother, so there's another reason for little girls to scream at their father's wives... "You don't love me, you're just an evil step-mother so no I won't feed the dog!!".

Oh, Giselle is animated in part of the movie and those times aren't necessarily when she's a drawn character. When she's a real girl, apparently she steals another woman's fiance.

Apparently there is a song called "Girls go Shopping" in the movie.

Hmmm... quite the role model, isn't she?

Oh, and there's a video game tie in as well. Your Pip is in that.

Morning
doesn't care for princesses, but really does like Disney despite the tone of this post.

It IS a Disney movie! Fantasy! *Shakes head* I don't get it.....Most all the Disney Princess movies are like this and so far we have done okay. I mean I am a bit overweight but, hey, at one time my shape was considered voluptuous and I am okay with the way I look and was raised on Disney my WHOLE life! I think there are bigger things to worry about when it comes to our children's ideas of themselves than a Disney movie. Maybe more parents need to be parents!!!!!
I still have not gotten to that matinee...I have been trying to get my house cleaned and gathering all my scrapbooking stuff together to organize. I only have thousands of pictures from my whole life and Ralph's whole life just stuck in boxes and needing to be scrapbooked!
I do want to see it! It looks like fun. I saw a video of the whole scene of The Happy Working song and that was cute! And also a vid of the song they do in the Park with all the people singing! I liked that one as well! They have some great copies of the vids over at youtube. Very cute and very Disney. I like that Disney is poking fun at itself! Clever!
Susi*voluptuous princess*slicker ;)

Thats why DW and I want to see it! IT seems like Disney is starting to have a sense of humor about itself? YES?NO? (when it comes to movies)

Haven't seen the movie, but definitely want to. I think it looks cute. Beyond that, I think that any girl over age 21 should be dissatisfied with her boyfriend if he's not me. :p: The only real problem I have with Disney's encouragement of children is that, in their ads for the Pirate and Princess party, they showed little boys dressed up as pirates, little girls dressed as princesses and some little girls dressed as pirates. What if a little boy wants to dress up as a princess? (I'm pretty sure they'd actually not say anything about it, but, to me, it's amusing that it doesn't make their ad campaign. Further, it harkens back to the situation where [from what I gather] a gay couple wanted to be married at WDW and at first Disney said no. It was then quickly pointed out that all their new wedding packages were designed by a gay man and Disney was quick to say it was all a misunderstanding and they accept everyone but not before there was a small but substantial outcry from the gay community...)

Joshua *I love manatees* Kwahati

GRUMPY PIRATE wrote:Thats why DW and I want to see it! IT seems like Disney is starting to have a sense of humor about itself? YES?NO? (when it comes to movies)

yep, did you see the commerial with the ghosts from the haunted mansion having fun in the park, and they only got scared in it's a small world? they are laughing and happy and soon as they get into small world they let out a blood curdling scream.

here it is:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=W3F70OIAMxc&feature=related

Disney has laughed at themselfs once in a while.

GRUMPY PIRATE wrote:
I think that the OP had some issues, and probably was not happy that the SGT'ers didn't quite agree!

Oh no..... I don't mind folks disagreeing with me at all! I like to read the various opinions that people have and it makes me look at my own opinions with new eyes.

That said, I have to stand by my post. While Enchanted may be a funny and good movie (I have not seen it, so I trust your judgement that it is good), the Princess is still being marketed as a Princess. While I admit to having "issues" about how beauty is marketed to children as being the very best quality to have, I do think that positive parental reinforcement is also necessary to keep kids on an even keel.

Thanks for listening,

Morning

Morning wrote:While I admit to having "issues" about how beauty is marketed to children as being the very best quality to have, I do think that positive parental reinforcement is also necessary to keep kids on an even keel.

Back many moon ago when I lived in Seattle, I dated a girl who was a Psych major. We studied together a lot, even though we were in very few of the same classes. One of the things that caught my eye when we read it was about little girls who generally start out doing much better in school than little boys, but that tends to switch in late elementary school, so by the time they hit high school, boys do much better, statistically, in maths and sciences than girls. The book this came out of was suggesting that this has a lot to do with little boys being told they're very smart or witty and little girls being told they're very pretty. It went on to say that there should be equal time and emphasis given to telling little girls that they're smart as well as pretty. This, of course (me being the mouthy jerk I am) lead to me often telling my girlfriend "You're so pretty...<pause> oh! And smart too!"

So, I guess the experts agree with you, Morning, that too much emphasis is placed on beauty...at the same time, people who are "better looking" by societal standards tend to get better jobs and have an easier time going farther in life (it's late and I'm tired, otherwise I'd pull up the statistics for you on that) so would it be fair to downplay it and not encourage our children to try to take care of themselves and be "pretty?" In my mind, this is exactly the same as that people with "abnormal" names generally have a harder time getting jobs than people with "normal" or "american sounding" names... It's not right, but it's true! Why would you do anything that would give your child a statistical disadvantage in life? It's like saying "Look here, little Johnny, you're going to be running this race for the rest of your life and you're racing against the rest of the country, but to start you off right, I'm going to tie an anvil to you." I'm not saying it's right, but it's statistically true. On the other hand, a good parent should try to balance everything so no one thing is over-emphasized. A pretty girl with a good education can do anything. An "ugly" girl (and I swear I'm implying nothing about anyone here! I've got pictures of me I can post later if anybody wants to see ugly!) with a good education might have to work a little harder, but can also do anything. A pretty girl without an education can be a stripper! (Although, God knows, the world needs those too!) :p:

Edited to add: I don't understand why you'd choose to randomly take it out on a movie that, I believe, has no ill intent, though... (Though I've had bad days before where I'd belittle or get pissed at or about anything that got in my way, so if it's something like that, then I totally understand.)

Actually, one of the things that makes Giselle neat is that she's a bit annoying, when it comes right down to it. I know I couldn't date or marry her, because I would go completely nuts after a day. Although, the house would be spotless, and I would enjoy having the rats around. I'm funny that way.

Having a hard time, so I am going to put it up to a vote here... Is Enchanted as good as Ratatouille? I just can't decide.

Morning wrote:Oh no..... I don't mind folks disagreeing with me at all! I like to read the various opinions that people have and it makes me look at my own opinions with new eyes.

That said, I have to stand by my post. While Enchanted may be a funny and good movie (I have not seen it, so I trust your judgement that it is good), the Princess is still being marketed as a Princess. While I admit to having "issues" about how beauty is marketed to children as being the very best quality to have, I do think that positive parental reinforcement is also necessary to keep kids on an even keel.

Thanks for listening,

Morning

Actually, Morning, I think you might find a lot to like about Enchanted, given that [spoiler]Giselle starts as a typical bubble-headed Disney princess, with her prince coming to rescue her and all that, but her exposure to the real world -- and its messy, complicated emotions and relationships -- helps her to grow and realize that she desires (and deserves) more for herself, and that life doesn't have to be perfect and Disney-fied. (While at the same time, the divorce lawyer she befriends grows in the opposite direction, losing some of his cynicism and believing more in the magic of true love.)[/spoiler]I quite liked it.