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Re: Talking durring attractions.

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:54 am
by SirWillow
Interesting reading.

People who talk over spiels, pre shows, or CM's making announcements do bug me. Especially if they're doing it loudly and about things that are completely unrelated to the ride. But at the same time there have been times that I've been guilty of doing it myself, though I try to keep it quiet. Especially when you have kids, it happens. With all the "Why's", "What's", and "How's" that they ask, they don't wait til it's over all the time.

Cell phones though- I am just appalled by how clueless and stupid some people are when they use them. Grrrrr.

I really wanted to comment on head mouse's comment though, about visitors from other countries having to speak fluent English before they come. Forgive me, but I think that you're a bit out of touch with reality. To learn to speak a language fluently, you're talking about 1-2 years of intense study from most people- something that's pretty much impossible for most people to do on top of work, families, and other normal activities.

And especially when the place they're visiting is wanting to bring in visitors from other countries- in case you hadn't noticed, Disney is a major international destination for a reason. Because it directly appeals to people in other countries, it has to be prepared for a large number of those visitors to arrive not speaking English, and take steps to help them. And it does. In some cases, that means tour groups with interpreters. And that's ok.

In fact, if you're going to do much of any international travel, that's pretty much the rule everywhere you go if it's a tourist destination. I've been to Japan, Thailand, Hong Kong/ China, Costa Rica, Mexico, and Colombia. If I were to have to do what you insist on, then somehow when I was in high school I would have had to learn to be fluent in Japanese, Thai, and Chinese while doing my normal studies and would have been deprived of a life changing trip and an incredible learning experience. And while I know some Spanish, I can't claim fluency. That certainly didn't take away from my other trips, nor did it prevent me from being successful in the work I was doing on them, or being able to communicate with the locals.

In other words, step into reality instead of whatever the heck it is. Oh, and also on behalf of the Cherokee tribe, let me be sure to welcome in all of the visitors. Don't worry about the English, we'll take care of you. And thank you for visiting and helping to provide me with a job that I love more than any other I've had!

Re: Talking durring attractions.

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:47 am
by head mouse
SirWillow wrote:I really wanted to comment on head mouse's comment though, about visitors from other countries having to speak fluent English before they come. Forgive me, but I think that you're a bit out of touch with reality. To learn to speak a language fluently, you're talking about 1-2 years of intense study from most people- something that's pretty much impossible for most people to do on top of work, families, and other normal activities.
Let me set thigns straight here.

I am not saying they should learn every word in the english language. They just need to be able to comunicate the basics.

I don't understand who they can come here and not speak one word of english, and expect to survive.

How can you ask directions, or get general help if you can't talk to the person?
Oh, and also on behalf of the Cherokee tribe, let me be sure to welcome in all of the visitors. Don't worry about the English, we'll take care of you. And thank you for visiting and helping to provide me with a job that I love more than any other I've had!
Yes, thank you for taking our land and leaving us with a little section to call home.

Re: Talking durring attractions.

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:53 pm
by hobie16
LittleDollClaudia wrote:If you had read my post, you would see I encourage people who sing in Small World or other attractions like Splash Mountain.
I would hope that Disney actively promotes singing along with the music in Small World. Every boat should have a tenor, a soprano and a bunch of uninhibited squeaky kids. And, whenever you get to a country where the dolls are playing drums, beat on the seats! :twisted:

Re: Talking durring attractions.

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:40 pm
by GaTechGal
Since I was the one that started all the stuff about non-English speakers, I'd like to clarify my experience. The gentleman (I use that term scarcastically) was translating this show for his daughter in a regular speaking voice. I was not sitting next to him but to his daughter. I tried to give him the "please be quiet look" and even shushed him several times, but since I was sitting next to his child I tried not be be too agressive. If he had just lowered his voice I think we would have all had a better experience.

And Head-Mouse, I'd be willing to bet you live up in the carpet capital. I've got a lot of friends that live up there and I know it's been really rough on you folks.

Re: Talking durring attractions.

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:50 pm
by bpgstudios
hobie16 wrote:I would hope that Disney actively promotes singing along with the music in Small World. Every boat should have a tenor, a soprano and a bunch of uninhibited squeaky kids. And, whenever you get to a country where the dolls are playing drums, beat on the seats! :twisted:
Evil. Pure evil. Just what we need... 23 guests beating on seats. We know how long it took WDW to get us a nice (9 month) refurb on small world, and we treat the damn thing with respect. Now Pan on the other hand... those guests come off the thing yelling "Fire Mr. Smee!" and "Help me, Mr. Smee! Help me!"

Just thinking of Pan right now makes me want to walk backwards. Can we get a smiley walking a belt, oh gods of the emoticons?

Re: Talking durring attractions.

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:59 pm
by head mouse
GaTechGal wrote:And Head-Mouse, I'd be willing to bet you live up in the carpet capital. I've got a lot of friends that live up there and I know it's been really rough on you folks.
Yep Yep Good ole' Dalton GA. Home of carpet. And yet nothing to wipe our feet on LOL.

Bienvenido a Dalton, capital de la Alfombra del mundo.

:p:

Re: Talking durring attractions.

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:00 pm
by hobie16
bpgstudios wrote:Evil. Pure evil. Just what we need... 23 guests beating on seats. We know how long it took WDW to get us a nice (9 month) refurb on small world, and we treat the damn thing with respect.
Are the seats that weak?

Re: Talking durring attractions.

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:09 pm
by head mouse
hobie16 wrote:Are the seats that weak?
No, but I agree with bpgstudios. The ride vehicles were not made to become drums, or to be writen on, or carved on, or anything other then to transport guest throuh the ride.

Talk about kiling the magic. How about getting into a ride vehicle and finging gum in teh seat, or seeing "Sara loves Billy" on the back of the seat.

Re: Talking durring attractions.

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:29 pm
by hhsrat
SirWillow wrote:In some cases, that means tour groups with interpreters. And that's ok.
The problem is the tour groups without interpreters, or who have interpreters that also can't speak english.

Re: Talking durring attractions.

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:28 pm
by head mouse
hhsrat wrote:The problem is the tour groups without interpreters, or who have interpreters that also can't speak english.

Or the groups where the interpreters try to speak louder then the CM or speil, which makes this a complete loop of topic. :D: