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Re: Wall-E

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:11 am
by GRUMPY PIRATE
So.....Its a movie about some sort of robot?

Robbie?


(hehehehehe)

Re: Wall-E (might contain spoilers for those who haven't seen it)

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:15 am
by Theme Park Where
It's funny, but a majority of the negative reviews I have seen (beyond those written by unintellegent people who haven't even seen the movie but just enjoy the ire they stir up when they go against the grain) have been from people stating one of two things:

1. They didn't like the portrayal of "fat" people aboard the Axiom, or
2. They didn't like the dark, disturbing image of the future as portrayed in the film.

Most of those have commented on the second half of the film, once Wall-e leaves Earth and follows Eve into space to the ship. They have reacted to the concept that humans are fat and lazy. They have reacted to the thought that humans would give up their very human-ness to a giant corporation and would in fact become slaves to their own apathy. I suspect that the negative reviews based on these "dislikes" stem from the message hitting a bit too close to home for some. It seems that there are those movie goers who believe that only the sunny side of life is suitable for an animated film, and others who just don't want to be bothered with a message.

Another complaint I've seen from a few people online is that the film is "boring." That complaint reminds me of one of my professors when I studied film theory in college. There is a Japanese director who is known for making long, serious films about general Japanese family life. His films are sort of a Japanese version of "My Dinner With Andre" which for those of you who haven't seen it is a film about a couple of guys having dinner and talking about their lives and careers. The entire film takes place at their table in a restaurant, with no action other than the occassional comings and goings of the wait staff or other customers. This Japanese director made similar types of films, although they took place in more than one location. There was limited action, other than the daily activities like cooking a meal, walking in a garden, putting on a hat, etc. and the films were mostly dialogue about life, family, respect, generational differences, and so forth. The biggest complaint students would have when it came time to view and discuss these films was that they were "boring." The professor wouldn't accept that as an opinion though. Her point was that the films were too full of deep conversation and meaning to be boring. You may not enjoy the lack of action, you may not understand or find personal meaning in the conversations, but you can only be "bored" by the films if you tune out and refuse to give them your attention. I feel the same way about Wall-e. If you were bored, it was because YOU were not bothering to give it your attention. The film itself contains way too much meaning to be boring.

Re: Wall-E (might contain spoilers for those who haven't seen it)

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:26 am
by GRUMPY PIRATE
Theme Park Where wrote:It's funny, but a majority of the negative reviews I have seen (beyond those written by unintellegent people who haven't even seen the movie but just enjoy the ire they stir up when they go against the grain) have been from people stating one of two things:

1. They didn't like the portrayal of "fat" people aboard the Axiom, or
2. They didn't like the dark, disturbing image of the future as portrayed in the film.

Most of those have commented on the second half of the film, once Wall-e leaves Earth and follows Eve into space to the ship. They have reacted to the concept that humans are fat and lazy. They have reacted to the thought that humans would give up their very human-ness to a giant corporation and would in fact become slaves to their own apathy. I suspect that the negative reviews based on these "dislikes" stem from the message hitting a bit too close to home for some. It seems that there are those movie goers who believe that only the sunny side of life is suitable for an animated film, and others who just don't want to be bothered with a message.

Another complaint I've seen from a few people online is that the film is "boring." ---Redacted--- If you were bored, it was because YOU were not bothering to give it your attention. The film itself contains way too much meaning to be boring.
I guess those people that don't like Wall-E should watch the movie within the movie "Idiocracy" call "ass" it should please them!

Re: Wall-E

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:44 am
by Freak
Well boo-hoo. I thought Pixar had the right idea when it came to the Axiom and "Buy N Large" corporation. I bet Wal-Mart, Costco, or Sam's Club will be like that in 700 years, and that scares me. And the people onboarid the Axiom are just like the people of today: eating a bunch of food (cupcake in a cup!?!?!), trying to be as lazy as possible, AND jawing on their cellphones all day (I loved how that was portrayed).

Honestly, I bet some company is going to become so super corporation that starts having everything with their name on it. It was kind of surreal seeing Earth like that, or the moon landing site with a billboard saying "Mini Mall Coming Soon!" It's not too far off IMO.

Those Axiom Wall-Es (or Wall-As, actually, since they're Axiom class) are big and scary! :eek: Wonder how long it'll be till some of these other guys get made into plastic figures.

Re: Wall-E

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:02 pm
by ktulu
I saw/read an interview with Andrew Stanton (Director) and he didn't have any political motivation for Wall-E. He said it is a love story. I don't think that the world will become like that and the "big box" stores won't be running the country. Unless of course you want to kook out a bit, then I for one welcome our robot masters.

Re: Wall-E

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:15 pm
by SRT_GB
Freak wrote:Well boo-hoo. I thought Pixar had the right idea when it came to the Axiom and "Buy N Large" corporation. I bet Wal-Mart, Costco, or Sam's Club will be like that in 700 years, and that scares me. And the people onboarid the Axiom are just like the people of today: eating a bunch of food (cupcake in a cup!?!?!), trying to be as lazy as possible, AND jawing on their cellphones all day (I loved how that was portrayed).
You took the words right out of my mouth (or keyboard?). While I prefer to think that the future will turn out to be more like the Star Trek universe with a single Earth government and humanity united in a quest to better itself, it is a very real possibility that we could go the way of the Buy N Large corporation as well, especially with how much of our everyday lives are already controlled by major corporations like Wal-Mart, Microsoft, GE, Berkshire Hathaway, or even Disney.

Re: Wall-E

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:31 pm
by Princess Susi
Theme Park Where wrote:It's funny, but a majority of the negative reviews I have seen (beyond those written by unintellegent people who haven't even seen the movie but just enjoy the ire they stir up when they go against the grain) have been from people stating one of two things:

1. They didn't like the portrayal of "fat" people aboard the Axiom, or
2. They didn't like the dark, disturbing image of the future as portrayed in the film.

Most of those have commented on the second half of the film, once Wall-e leaves Earth and follows Eve into space to the ship. They have reacted to the concept that humans are fat and lazy. They have reacted to the thought that humans would give up their very human-ness to a giant corporation and would in fact become slaves to their own apathy. I suspect that the negative reviews based on these "dislikes" stem from the message hitting a bit too close to home for some. It seems that there are those movie goers who believe that only the sunny side of life is suitable for an animated film, and others who just don't want to be bothered with a message.

Another complaint I've seen from a few people online is that the film is "boring." That complaint reminds me of one of my professors when I studied film theory in college. There is a Japanese director who is known for making long, serious films about general Japanese family life. His films are sort of a Japanese version of "My Dinner With Andre" which for those of you who haven't seen it is a film about a couple of guys having dinner and talking about their lives and careers. The entire film takes place at their table in a restaurant, with no action other than the occassional comings and goings of the wait staff or other customers. This Japanese director made similar types of films, although they took place in more than one location. There was limited action, other than the daily activities like cooking a meal, walking in a garden, putting on a hat, etc. and the films were mostly dialogue about life, family, respect, generational differences, and so forth. The biggest complaint students would have when it came time to view and discuss these films was that they were "boring." The professor wouldn't accept that as an opinion though. Her point was that the films were too full of deep conversation and meaning to be boring. You may not enjoy the lack of action, you may not understand or find personal meaning in the conversations, but you can only be "bored" by the films if you tune out and refuse to give them your attention. I feel the same way about Wall-e. If you were bored, it was because YOU were not bothering to give it your attention. The film itself contains way too much meaning to be boring.

Excellent post TPW! You hit the nail on the head. I don't think the second half took anything away from the story, it added another dimension to what happened to earth and the humans who were no longer there!
It was a great love story and an excellent statement (even if uninteneded) about the state of things to (possibly?) come. Just one of many scenarios...

Already the society as a whole is getting fatter. We see this all the time. It's the crap processed food we eat. And if we do not quit wasting things, we WILL form mountains of garbage here. Already our little blue-green planet is in trouble, but do the powers that can do anything about it, actually do anything about it?

No, they just keep telling us we have drill more areas for oil and don't worrry about the wildlife there, and we should consume more (use that tax refund to go out and stimulate the economy), bigger portions (Supersize Me!!), and still build bigger cars (SUV's, which thank heaven have seen a downslide in sales) and we have become a society of throw away items, paper plates, styrofoam containers, fast food in throwaway packaging, and they don't make things to last for years like they used to, and now certain species have died out altogether and it is getting out of control.

Ralph and I try to recycle everything we can. Our city, Westminster has a recycling program, but it is not all encompassing. They don't take certain things that can and should be recycled. Until the whole world gets very serious about recyling and new sources of energy, we ARE on a downward spiral. The movie made me think, it was hopeful in the end and showed that things don't have to be that way! The humans were going to TRY!

I love the whole movie, it all made perfect sense to me, the way it was put together.
Maybe the meek shall inherit the earth! Wally was a meek little robot who got very brave all because of his undying love for the beautiful Ev-ah!!

sues

Re: Wall-E

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:12 pm
by February
Okay, I just saw it for the second time...

and I LOVED IT MORE!!!

But I did cry just as hard. Actually harder for two reasons.

1. My sweetie wasn't with me he had to be at work LOL and it made me miss him. I guess after 9 years of marriage and 12 years in love that's a good sign yes? *blush*

2. I missed something near the end that Eve did (suffice it to say the sound was turned up higher today and it was better) and I just lost it. I mean I was a wreck LOL my daughter (this is the first time we got to see it together) was holding my arm and leaning her head on my shoulder the entire movie. That is such a sweet memory for me- the day we went together and saw Wall-E together *tears* She's growing up so fast- she's turning into a teen over night and it was a sweet and special day I will not forget.

Okay I can't type if I'm crying LOL

Susi, you are so sweet, to have thought of those plushies for me. I don't even know what to say. So I'll say thank you *blush* thank you so much. I was thinking of you when I went to see it Saturday night too!!! I knew you would love it as much as I did too.

I'll get some contact info to you soon for Ralphie- but you just focus on getting better from your operation I'm not going anywhere so there's no rush or reason for him to worry about sending them while you recouperate!

Don't you love the way the InterAction toys talk to each other? I could listen to them for hours. In fact I do LOL.

OH! and I got a watch!!! They had a few left over and the manager was kind enough to give me one. On top of that at the theater where my daughter saw it Saturday they gave out cds of some sort I don't know just what's on it yet but Wall-e is on the CD and it says "movie clips" so I guess that's pretty self explanatory LOL.. DOH. Bru low on caffeine moment there.

Since people have posted info about the plot- I will now comment on it LOL I waited.

TPW hit the nail on the head. When we walked out of the theater the other night I told my husband, I wonder if people are ready for the message. I knew there would be those who would be offended by it- but I said to my hubby that I believe that if the message is received by the kids- that Andrew Stanton may be responsible for saving an entire generation of children who are even as I type this living on soda pop in 64 ounce buckets- sitting around gaining weight and ending up with Type 2 Diabetes before adulthood.

The movie had a heavy, heavy message in addition to the adorable robot love story- and I can only hope and pray that mankind is not yet too jaded to ignore it. Please, we have to save ourselves, save our Earth- before we all end up a lot worse off than the fiction of the Axiom (though I agree with SRT_GB that I'd prefer Trek's version of the future- we may very well be headed for this one if people do not wake up.

The film is simply a masterpiece and I cannot WAIT to see it again- and have it on DVD so I can really start taking it apart.

You know- this might sound really stupid. But- whatever happens with my vision from here on out- and that's a big 'what if' at the moment- I am so grateful that I got to see Wall-E with one decent eye of vision.

So I can always remember it no matter what happens from here.

Bru

Re: Wall-E

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:23 pm
by BRWombat
Hey, forgot to mention in my post earlier, but to my surprise, on watching WALL-E yesterday I discovered that an acquaintance of mine is in the movie!!!!

Probably.

When WALL-E is showing off his collection of stuff to Eve, he plays a few bars from Billy the Big-Mouth Bass, the singing mounted fish, right? One of my fellow VM chorus members (in fact, the current president of the group) is the singing voice of Billy! (He's on the front row, second from the left in the picture below.)

I say "probably" because Steve hasn't seen the movie and so can't verify that it's him, but it sounds like the original. I exchanged emails with Steve about WALL-E today, and he tells me that whenever he did the vocal work for Billy, or other jobs for the same company, he releases any rights to the recordings, so they don't have to get his permission to use it again. He knows it's been featured on the Sopranos and other shows, but my email was the first time he'd heard it was in WALL-E.

So, yes, your friend Wombat here knows a star of WALL-E! Okay, a voice featured prominently in WALL-E... okay, a voice played briefly in WALL-E. Maybe. Fine, so it's not that impressive after all. :)

Re: Wall-E

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:28 pm
by February
BRWombat wrote:Hey, forgot to mention in my post earlier, but to my surprise, on watching WALL-E yesterday I discovered that an acquaintance of mine is in the movie!!!!

Probably.

When WALL-E is showing off his collection of stuff to Eve, he plays a few bars from Billy the Big-Mouth Bass, the singing mounted fish, right? One of my fellow VM chorus members (in fact, the current president of the group) is the singing voice of Billy! (He's on the front row, second from the left in the picture below.)

I say "probably" because Steve hasn't seen the movie and so can't verify that it's him, but it sounds like the original. I exchanged emails with Steve about WALL-E today, and he tells me that whenever he did the vocal work for Billy, or other jobs for the same company, he releases any rights to the recordings, so they don't have to get his permission to use it again. He knows it's been featured on the Sopranos and other shows, but my email was the first time he'd heard it was in WALL-E.

So, yes, your friend Wombat here knows a star of WALL-E! Okay, a voice featured prominently in WALL-E... okay, a voice played briefly in WALL-E. Maybe. Fine, so it's not that impressive after all. :)
That's really cool Wombat! I thought it was Bobby McFerrin but then he did the original version of the song in question (which I do not personally happen to enjoy as songs go LOL) If it's your friend that is SO COOL!!!! WOOT!