Stupid Guest Tricks

Mayonnaise wrote:the bizarre slippery slope argument you posited doesn't carry.

8^S

Mayo, LOVE your phrasing! Very choice. :)

Disneyguy85 wrote:Yes, and they did.

Most recently, they offered this costume, and she refused it;

http://ocresort.ocregister.com/files/20 ... stume2.jpg

(This photo link is from the OC Register "Around Disney" blog)

She doesn't have a leg to stand on then, so she should quit with the whining.

Disneyguy85 wrote:Yes, and they did.

Most recently, they offered this costume, and she refused it;

http://ocresort.ocregister.com/files/20 ... stume2.jpg

(This photo link is from the OC Register "Around Disney" blog)

That actually looks pretty reasonable to me. Thank you for the link!

I do think that allowing a plain hijab would be perfectly fine, but that looks like a decent compromise.

If I had walked into Storyteller Cafe, which I do on almost every trip, and seen her wearing the scarf, I wouldnt have thought anything of it. No big deal, see it all the time, probably would not have even noted it. And, I think many people probably would not have noticed, and some may not have even reconized what it was. (kids sure would not have) But what gets me angry, and others, is the trouble she has started over it. She was too good to work back stage, too good the wear a different type of headwear with it, and then complained to the union, an attorney (who I still think is a family member) and the press. Again, shes messing with peoples Disney and we dont like it.
Steve

My sentiments exactlly Steve. I would have bet my last dollar,that if Disney had let her wear the scarf,'NO ONE' would have noticed let alone cared.

Amphigorey wrote:Dude, your burqa argument is disingenuous and makes no sense. The logic, it is not there in your statement.

I'm making no comment on her behavior; I'm just saying that Disney is perfectly able to incorporate hijabs into the Disney Look. The Look is fungible, not set in stone; we have seen it change in recent years.

A hijab is not a big deal. It's just a scarf. It's meaningful to the person who wears it, not anyone else. It's not distracting or loud or offensive; it would blend in perfectly well with pretty much every onstage costumed role.

sorry, but your evaluation is incorect and not germaine.

if she was allowed full choice over her costume, then what.

next up, people of the sikh faith.

I have some eperience with this.

many many years ago, when I was in the navy, an enlisted sailor had converted to this religion. the particular sect required that he wear a turban, grow a beard, and carry a scimitar.

he got a special permission to wear a white turban with his dress uniform, and at the time, the grooming standards allowed a beard (as long as a air tight seal could be made when wearing air breathing devices, such as firefight OBA's etc) as to the sword, he got a nope, not gonna happen. (strangely enough, if he had been an officer, he could have worn it in place of the navy sword)

now lets take the devote lady that demands that disney bend over backwards for her and rejects anything they offered. So if she wins, then a precedent has been established in the courts and disney lost.

what then has been established is that an employer has no right to establish a costume, because anyone has the right to wear when they deem appropriate for their religion.

suddenly you have some sikh's wearing their turbans and (for men) beards in costume working at any of the venues. then you have another portion of women from the muslim faith wanting to wear full coverning burkas.

heck, some christian sects have a cross stiched into their clothing, or for that matter, some believe in wearing very plain clothing with no adornments what-so-ever.

what would the end result be? a bit of chaos and a much confusing mish mash of whacky costumes.

I think Disney is right in wanting to control their costuming. and has made plenty of concessions to this employee.

she is, quite simply, trying to tear down disneys right to have their CM's wear a costume that Disney has designed.

GRUMPY PIRATE wrote:sorry, but your evaluation is incorect and not germaine.

Oh really. In what way is her statement not germane to the conversation?

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GRUMPY PIRATE wrote:sorry, but your evaluation is incorect and not germaine.

if she was allowed full choice over her costume, then what.

next up, people of the sikh faith.

I have some eperience with this.

many many years ago, when I was in the navy, an enlisted sailor had converted to this religion. the particular sect required that he wear a turban, grow a beard, and carry a scimitar.

he got a special permission to wear a white turban with his dress uniform, and at the time, the grooming standards allowed a beard (as long as a air tight seal could be made when wearing air breathing devices, such as firefight OBA's etc) as to the sword, he got a nope, not gonna happen. (strangely enough, if he had been an officer, he could have worn it in place of the navy sword)

now lets take the devote lady that demands that disney bend over backwards for her and rejects anything they offered. So if she wins, then a precedent has been established in the courts and disney lost.

what then has been established is that an employer has no right to establish a costume, because anyone has the right to wear when they deem appropriate for their religion.

suddenly you have some sikh's wearing their turbans and (for men) beards in costume working at any of the venues. then you have another portion of women from the muslim faith wanting to wear full coverning burkas.

OMG, I had no idea my Sikh patients are carrying a blade Better not anger them......
I like the Burqa for cold and flu season,hate all the microbes blasted at me

Helluva leap from "hijab" to "pointy bladed thing" there.

I find your lack of logic... disturbing.

DisneyMom wrote:OMG, I had no idea my Sikh patients are carrying a blade Better not anger them......
I like the Burqa for cold and flu season,hate all the microbes blasted at me

Just Joking, I hope you all know,wouldn't want to anger anyone of any culture.

Just for the record, I wouldn't care about the hijab if she was wearing it at the Storyteller's Cafe. Employers are always going to try to control things,it's their turf.Will need a court to decide if she has that particular Freedom at DLR.