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Re: Another one bites the dust

Post by Zazu » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:36 pm

Honda Enoch wrote:WRONG. They are robbed of the enjoyment of that attraction. They are robbed of being able share that enjoyment with their children. And I beg to differ, but every guest that enters that park owns a small part of it. It is the GUEST that pay for everything int hat park, it is the GUEST that decided if the park will survive another year or not. It may have Disney Co. on the deed, but the GUEST pay for that deed. No that does not give guest the right to be obnoxious and think the rules do not apply to them. But it DOES give the guest a say so in what they want to see in the parks.
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There you have it! The entitlement mentality that is fundamental to the Stupid Guest. A sense of ownership of things just being rented; a false sense of power over other people and organizations; and a petulant refusal to look at things from anyone's point of view but their own.

Thank you for that wonderful parody of the perfect Stupid Guest!


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Re: Another one bites the dust

Post by DisneyMom » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:50 pm

Zazu wrote: :hysteria:

There you have it! The entitlement mentality that is fundamental to the Stupid Guest. A sense of ownership of things just being rented; a false sense of power over other people and organizations; and a petulant refusal to look at things from anyone's point of view but their own.

Thank you for that wonderful parody of the perfect Stupid Guest!
I'd like to own a small part of POTC! or just maybe Captain Jack! :p:


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Re: Another one bites the dust

Post by Disneyguy85 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:50 pm

Yeah that's true. Pirates of the Caribbean was NOT an opening day attraction at Magic Kingdom.



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Re: Another one bites the dust

Post by PatchOBlack » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:30 pm

Well, at least we got a list of the changes that have offended Honda. Let's take a look:

The Main Street Cinema was closed at WDW, but lives on at DL. Was replaced first with VMK Central, then refurbished as an Art of Disney store. A minor bit annoying, but I would have to say that the Main Street Cinema (while having sentimental value) probably isn't a major consideration when folks visit the parks. In a similar vein, the closing of the Penny Arcade to expand the Main Street Athletic Company is slightly disappointing, but then again, even modern arcades are very much in decline. Looks like the one at DL is still there, though. Removal of Swan Boats? I didn't even know WDW had such a thing. Been gone for over 20 years. How many forum dwellers out there, aside from Honda, can say that they miss having them there? The Walt Disney Story: A nice little museum piece. Would have been nice if they had kept it.

Moving on the Adventureland...Tropical Serenade, the MK's copy of the original Enchanted Tiki room, being replaced by "Under New Management"? Okay, I'll grant you, that change hasn't met with much approval. Luckily, once again, DL doesn't make that mistake and the traditional version is still here. I admit some apprehension regarding with the introduction of elements from the movies to the Pirates of the Caribbean, however, I haven't heard any general outcry denouncing it, so I shall again reserve judgement.

Fronterland: Yep, a lot of the old boat rides are gone. However, the Admiral Joe Fowler Riverboat is no longer there because an accident damaged it beyond repair. The cannons, while no longer at WDW, can still be found at DL. The Diamond Horseshoe may be closed, but the original Golden Horseshoe is still going. From what I can see, the keel boats were nixed after one capsized at DL. Could be that the bad publicity and expense of making the ride safer is what caused it to be closed.

Liberty Square: I assume the Haunted Mansion is on the list due to the "updating" they recently got, and not the holiday season over-lay. From what I can see, the changes were not to tie it into the movie (thank goodness), but to update and upgrade some of the effects. Again, since I haven't actually seen the changes, I will not render an opinion, though in this case, I'm rather optimistic.

On to Fantasyland: 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, to be honest, was showing its age, though I also felt disappointed when it was closed. However, I am glad to hear it is back, and I think tying it in with "Finding Nemo" wasn't a bad idea. Of course, in DL, it is located in Tomorrowland. What do subs have to do with fantasy, anyway? The Dumbo Ride: Added six more ride cars, changed Timothy's whip to the magic feather, and he now stands on a balloon instead of a disco ball. Sorry, I don't see this as such a bad thing. Also, shows changing aren't exactly new, so I don't think Legend of the Lion King and Magic Journeys really should make the list. The Mickey Mouse Revue sounds like it was neat, and I'm sorry I never had the chance to see it. The Skyway, from what I can tell, has been removed from several parks, most likely due to safety concerns. Mr. Toad's Wild Ride may be gone from WDW, but again, the original still operates at DL. From what I can tell, the original version of Snow White's Scary Adventures in DL is unchanged, while the WDW version was redone to more closely resemble the DL version. So, in a sense, it was changed from an "updated" to the original.

Tomorrowland: Now, with the Carousel of Progress, Circle-Vision 360, and the Flight to the Moon/Mission to Mars, well, let's face it, they were becoming as dated as the House of the Future. It is little wonder they would be replaced. From what I can see, the only real change on the Speedway is that they put in guide-rails, once again for safety. The Star Jets were replaced with the Astro-Orbiters, which as far as I can tell (except for cosmetic changes) is nearly the same ride. The PeopleMovers? Does anyone really consider this a major attraction, and really misses it?

Over all, I would say that very few of the attractions named have been actually closed, or changed to such a degree that it is no longer recognizable. Thus, I feel that such fears that Disney is destroying large segments of the various theme parks history is unwarranted.



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Re: Another one bites the dust

Post by Honda Enoch » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:41 pm

Shorty82 wrote:Wrong. Below is your list with either a "True" for Opening Day attractions or a "False" followed by the date it opened for non-Opening Day attractions.

When I say original attractions I mean the ones that opened on Opening Day, October 1, 1971, or just a few days (2 or 3) later. Most Disney attractions are original in that they were designed by or for Disney exclusively so that isn't a good measure in this case.

WHO said anything about only the attraction on opening day. Hell that's only a hand full of attractions.

As I have said (and you all have over looked) many time. I am talking of the attractions we all grew up with.

Want to set a date on it? Fine anything before the Eisner days.
PatchOBlack wrote:Well, at least we got a list of the changes that have offended Honda. Let's take a look:

WRONG again. the list I provided was simply a list of original attractions that have been changed or removed from WDW. The list has NOTHING to do with how I feel about those attractions.


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Re: Another one bites the dust

Post by Disneyguy85 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:53 pm

PatchOBlack wrote:DL doesn't make that mistake and the traditional version is still here. I admit some apprehension regarding with the introduction of elements from the movies to the Pirates of the Caribbean, however, I haven't heard any general outcry denouncing it, so I shall again reserve judgement
At Disneyland, most of the Pirates attraction remained the same after the enhancements. They used a "light touch" with the enhancements at Disneyland.

For the enhancements of Pirates at Magic Kingdom, unfortunately a lot more of their classic elements were removed, such as the talking skull and the Barker bird at the entrance.



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Re: Another one bites the dust

Post by PatchOBlack » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:54 pm

Honda Enoch wrote:WRONG again. the list I provided was simply a list of original attractions that have been changed or removed from WDW. The list has NOTHING to do with how I feel about those attractions.
I had thought you were posting this list as support for your theory that, because these attractions had been removed or renovated, that it was a sure sign that Disney intended to, in short order, tear down all the classic attractions and replace them. Also, you seemed to be saying that any change what-so-ever is worthy of condemnation. Of course, I personally don't agree with ether idea.



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Re: Another one bites the dust

Post by GRUMPY PIRATE » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:58 pm

Disneyguy85 wrote:Stop that! :eek:
Sorry...-Gilly


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Re: Another one bites the dust

Post by joanna71985 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:15 pm

Honda Enoch wrote: But then again. Disney is not Disney anymore is it.
Honda Enoch wrote:Why? I am not mad, I am not yelling. I am entitled to my opinion. Today's Disney is not the magical place it once was. Fun? Yes, there are fun things to do at Disney. But it's not the classic beloved magical park it was before.
Not really. Disney is still as magical as it was before. Just because things were changed/removed doesn't change that.


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Re: Another one bites the dust

Post by ktulu » Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:31 pm

Honda Enoch wrote:You are now the MASTER DISNEY GURU.
Why, thank you! Muhahahaha


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