DisneyMom wrote:As a Nurse, I agree! But how are we going to accomplish it? I know that even in countries that provide the care for all, I hear there are problems with getting some of the care(waiting months/years for operations, for example).A perfect system would succeed by preventative measures(people would have less health issues by doing ALL the right things, and therefore would not "take advantage' of the system, etc.)but unfortunately, people are so flawed,the powers that be are so flawed, our environmental factors are so flawed...
I am not meaning to get into any sort of debate(not smart enough for the answers)I just am overwhelmed at the Health Care Mess! :(
Hey, I don't want to drag you into a debate you don't want to be in, but the countries that are doing it right really don't have these problems our government wants us to believe they have. There might be isolated incidents of things like waiting for surgeries, but certainly nothing large scale. Yes, you will see malingering in any socialized health care system (or any health care system for that matter, like you imply people basically suck!), but the good ones are built to tolerate that. Talk to people from France or Canada (my roommates and I have done some work with Canadian military and they brought a bunch of civilians with them...we chatted) the situation is good and they like their health care. They do end up having less long term problems because more people do take care of the preventative stuff like they should. Further, having to pay for people's care leads the government to make better decisions for the health of all citizens like strongly discouraging smoking and treating alcohol and drug addictions as quickly and often as possible. Basically, at the end of the day, all these things add up to make it so there's not much of a system to take advantage of (or, really, no harm in taking advantage of it). If there's the slightest indication you're sick, you go see a doctor and, if there's anything to find, they'll do their utmost to find it because it's better for their entire civilization that they find it early!
I hope that's not too debatish for you. I'm not trying to argue with anybody, I just want to spread the knowledge I've had the joy of gaining through my travels abroad and my work with foreigners here in the States. I love our country enough that I signed up to defend it, and I'd love to see it get even better! :)
Edited to add: I make no secret of that I'm registered as a Democrat. The thing is, I also make no secret of that the Dems we have now are pussies (they have a good idea once in a while, but they'll hapilly compromise it to avoid getting called a mean name by the other side). The problem is, the Republicans are assholes. We need a major overhaul of the system and the pussies are too weak to get it done and the assholes are too mean to do anything that's not completely to the detriment of people everywhere. I'd be an independant, but I like voting in primaries (makes me feel like I have some control over my own fate) and they will never have a valid chance in an election run under the electoral college system. At the end of the day, it's not that there aren't people with good ideas out there, its that, by the time they rise to the level where they can do something great, they squander it by turning into a pussy or an asshole who, either way, is completely beholden to the money men who got them there. :( (Really, I'm only a liberal in this country...every other civilized country wonders why you should care who someone chooses to marry and thinks health care is a basic human right...I could go on, but everyone's stopped reading by now anyway...)
