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Post by knitster » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:37 pm

Big Wallaby wrote:That is part of what I was getting at by posting this, and part of what I found humorous. At the same time, females attacking males is a much less prevalent problem, and I agree with the Texans that if something bad happens to you when you break into someone's home or business, you had it coming.
Well, being a Texan, I definitely agree with this, too. I just find the reactions to a female to male attack vs. a male to female attack interesting, from an anthropological stand point


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Re: Robber breaks into hair salon...

Post by hobie16 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:39 pm

Isn't there something in Texas law that during a trial, the judge is suppose to ask, "Did he need shooting?" Wombat will know.


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Post by Amphigorey » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:43 pm

svickersart wrote:So she feeds him, buys him jeans, gives him money and has sex with him and he goes to the police? sounds like every teenage boys dream. Guess she should have been a little more gentle when she kicked his ass.
That wasn't sex - that was rape.



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Post by PatchOBlack » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:59 pm

Big Wallaby wrote:That is part of what I was getting at by posting this, and part of what I found humorous. At the same time, females attacking males is a much less prevalent problem, and I agree with the Texans that if something bad happens to you when you break into someone's home or business, you had it coming.
A few thoughts:

Just because something doesn't happen as often doesn't mean is any less wrong.

While I agree that, if someone hurts themselves during the commission of a crime, it is their own fault, this isn't the same thing at all. It is not even the same as someone shooting a criminal during a burglary. It wasn't simply defending one's self, the woman decided to then act as judge and jury after the criminal had been subdued.

Regarding svickersart's statement: That shows another long-held belief that is a double-standard: That a woman forcing herself on a man is, generally, considered desirable by a man, while the reverse is horrible.

There is also the idea that an older woman seducing a younger man is more acceptable than an older man hooking up with a younger woman, but that is much more complicated...



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Re: Robber breaks into hair salon...

Post by DonutGoddess » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:13 pm

Well she probably figured that he would have to turn himself in in order to report the rape. And then what proof is there that she actually did that to him? His word against hers unless there is some other evidence or witnesses.


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Post by Shorty82 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:08 pm

So many people who should know better (police, doctors, etc.) believe men can't be raped by women. Even male victims of rape fall for that sadly. So untrue, men can be raped by women just a women can be. The percentage of reported rapes where men are the victim and women are the perpetrators is very, very low and a lot of the time the police do very little, do nothing, or don't believe the victim at all.

Men and women can be raped by both men and women. Sadly many rapes go unreported so many rapists stay free to rape again and, IMO, rape is a very heinous crime which deserves severe repercussions. Yes, the majority of rapes are men victimizing women but every combination of genders can, and does, occur. The purest definition of rape I can think of is any sexual encounter without consent of one of the parties. It doesn't matter what genders the victim and rapist are nor if there was penetration of any sort, if one of the people didn't give consent then it is rape. The lack of objection is not consent.
According to the 2009 United States National Crime Victimization Survey estimates, only 55% of rapes and sexual assaults were reported to law enforcement officials. When a male is raped, less than 10% are believed to be reported. Female-male and female-female rape are ignored altogether in this survey.

The most common reasons given by victims for not reporting rapes are the belief that it is a personal or private matter, and that they fear reprisal from the assailant. A 2007 government report in England says "Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 per cent of rape crimes are never reported to the police."[4]

Traditional (male-female) focused rape-related advocacy groups have suggested several tactics to encourage the reporting of sexual assaults, most of which aim at lessening the psychological trauma, often suffered by female rape victims following their assault by male rapists. Many police departments now assign female police officers to deal with rape cases. Advocacy groups also argue for the preservation of the victim's privacy during the legal process; it is standard practice among mainstream American news media not to divulge the names of alleged rape victims in news reports but this practice is becoming increasingly controversial due to well publicized cases of false rape accusations. Traditional rape-related advocacy groups are also beginning to support male-male rape victims as well as male-female rape victims. Other advocacy groups that support male victims of female rape encourage recognition of female-male rape as rape rather than as a 'love affair', a 'relationship', or as a beneficial form of sex 'education'. However, female-male and female-female rape is rarely recognized as a statistically significant form of rape despite research indicating otherwise. Thus reporting rape by females remains difficult or impossible especially in jurisdictions where rape by a female is considered no crime or where the false perception persists that rape of a male by a female is impossible.[5]

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U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (1999) estimated that 91% of rape victims are female and 9% are male, with 99% of the offenders being male.[21] Denov (2004) states that societal responses to the issue of female perpetrators of sexual assault "point to a widespread denial of women as potential sexual aggressors that could work to obscure the true dimensions of the problem."[22]

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, the adjusted per-capita victimization rate of rape has declined from about 2.4 per 1000 people (age 12 and above) in 1980 to about 0.4 per 1000 people, a decline of about 85%.[23] But other government surveys, such as the Sexual Victimization of College Women study, critique the NCVS on the basis it includes only those acts perceived as crimes by the victim, and report a higher victimization rate.[24]

From 2000-2005, 59% of rapes were not reported to law enforcement.[25][26] One factor relating to this is misconception that most rapes are committed by strangers.[27] In reality, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 38% of victims were raped by a friend or acquaintance, 28% by "an intimate" and 7% by another relative, and 26% were committed by a stranger to the victim. About four out of ten sexual assaults take place at the victim's own home.[28]
From the Wikipedia article "Rape Statistics", sections Under- and over-reporting and United States.


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Post by darph nader » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:46 pm

hobie16 wrote:Isn't there something in Texas law that during a trial, the judge is suppose to ask, "Did he need shooting?" Wombat will know.
Sounds like a line from "True Grit".


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Re: Robber breaks into hair salon...

Post by DisneyMom » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:55 pm

The other possibility is that he lied....It would be nice if everyone who reported such an awful crime were telling the truth,but there are a lot of unstable people out there. My First Hunch:Robber=Unstable. :cool:


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Post by BRWombat » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:57 am

hobie16 wrote:Isn't there something in Texas law that during a trial, the judge is suppose to ask, "Did he need shooting?" Wombat will know.
Judges are supposed to stay neutral. That's a question for the defense attorney. :D:


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Re: Robber breaks into hair salon...

Post by ktulu » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:07 am

BRWombat wrote:Judges are supposed to stay neutral. That's a question for the defense attorney. :D:
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