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Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:12 pm
by Shorty82
Navarre? He was almost a local man to me. How sad that he died. While going at Disney would be kinda cool it ruined a vacation to the Happiest Place On Earth for his family.
Big Wallaby wrote:Sounds to me like Disney is in no way to blame.
There's going to be SGs who will try to blame Disney most likely. Very, very few of the deaths and injuries that have occured on Disney rides have been caused by a ride malfunction or CMs not doing their job. Most have been caused by either a pre-existing medical condition or by the rider doing something stupid like trying to exit the vehicle.
CMGUY89 wrote:Very sad, nobody should have to visit the ER on a trip. But like you said, sounds like a pre-existing condition. Condolences to family, and praise goes to the CM for CPR.

As just an added note: I got certified with CPR and AED before I started at WDW so there is another angel with a nametag looking out for guests, even if they are SG. ;)
I want to learn CPR sometime. CPR is the kind of thing you hope you never have to use but can save lives if you do know it. I didn't know there was AED training as they are designed to be used by somebody who has no medical training. I know the resorts have them scattered about but what about the parks? Alpaha units are never far away in the parks but even the little time it takes for them to arrive can be fatal so I would hope there are at least a few around in places easy accessable to any CM.

Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:45 pm
by Kwahati
Shorty82 wrote:I didn't know there was AED training as they are designed to be used by somebody who has no medical training. I know the resorts have them scattered about but what about the parks? Alpaha units are never far away in the parks but even the little time it takes for them to arrive can be fatal so I would hope there are at least a few around in places easy accessable to any CM.
There isn't really a separate AED training class, they just cover it as standard course material in all CPR classes now (at least, Red Cross and American Heart Assoc. do it, though there could be other groups I don't know of who train CPR and leave out the AED). It's not like they devote a lot of time to it, either, in most of those classes, they just show you what it looks like, maybe demonstrate it and tell you to turn it on...it'll actually verbally tell you what to do from there. The only class I've ever used a mock one in was CPR for the Professional Rescuer which is the class EMTs, Lifeguards, Firefighters and Cops are required to take... come to think of it, probably doctors and nurses too, but they probably have their refresher courses done at their hospitals.

Last I looked (a couple of weeks ago) I believe the general location of many AED's is marked on maps of the parks. I also make a mental note of one whenever I physically see one. There are lots of people walking around the parks who are heart-attacks waiting to happen. You never know when being able to say "there's an AED around that corner on the wall, go get it for me!" to a bystander is going to save a life... And good for you for wanting to get certified! The low-level "Heart Saver CPR" (American Heart Assoc.) and "Basic CPR" (Red Cross) that will teach you everything you need to know in a pinch are generally pretty cheap (I'm not sure, but I think I recall them being about $30 in most places, but it does vary because the venue and instructor can both tack on fees). You should also hit up your work (you're a volunteer at the zoo, right? or am I tired and thinking of someone else...) they might either pay for you to get certified or even organize a class on site to get a bunch of their people certified. It's usually in their best interest to get people certified as, in a lot of businesses, it'll make their insurance cheaper!

Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:56 pm
by Shorty82
Kwahati wrote:Last I looked (a couple of weeks ago) I believe the general location of many AED's is marked on maps of the parks. I also make a mental note of one whenever I physically see one.
On my last trip in July I saw that the resort maps had AEDs marked and they were in highly visible locations. I didn't see one in the parks and if they were in visible locations I most likely would have noticed them as I tend to notice that kind of thing. I'm pretty sure they weren't marked on the park maps though I can't confirm that as I'm at my grandmother's and the maps are at my apartment. I've looked at the maps enough I am nearly 100% certain they're not marked on them.

Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:17 pm
by Kwahati
Shorty82 wrote:...I've looked at the maps enough I am nearly 100% certain they're not marked on them.
Interesting. I just went and check my most recent set of maps, and you are correct. That's unfortunate and I'm sorry for spreading misinformation. I do feel certain that I saw some AED's near bathrooms in a couple of places as well as in a couple of show buildings, but in out of the way places (probably to not detract from the theming)...

What say you CM's? Are the AED's out there, or did I dream that too? :o:

Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:26 pm
by GRUMPY PIRATE
My guess would be that some are just "off stage" when you can grab it quickly, but the CM's would know!!

Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:46 pm
by CMGUY89
I'm trying to remember...4 months is longer than I thought. I wanna say they are onstage in those white cabinets that you see in just about any public place. Can anyone help me out on this...

Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:16 am
by Big Wallaby
They are both on and off stage. Mostly on.

They are shown on park maps as well, so that if a guest knows how to use one, they know or can look up quickly where they are.

Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:29 am
by GRUMPY PIRATE
Big Wallaby wrote:They are both on and off stage. Mostly on.

They are shown on park maps as well, so that if a guest knows how to use one, they know or can look up quickly where they are.
Good to know, Especially if I eat too much!!

Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:18 am
by Big Wallaby
Well, not sure how an AED is going to help you with eating too much, but it is nice to know they are quite literally all over the place. Basically, if you find a bathroom on the map, an AED is much closer.

Re: Guest dies on Expedition Everest

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:57 am
by Kwahati
Big Wallaby wrote:They are shown on park maps as well, so that if a guest knows how to use one, they know or can look up quickly where they are.
Which park maps? I thought I recalled seeing them on park maps, but after Shorty's post last night, I went and looked at maps of the Studios as well as Epcot and there weren't any AED's marked on those... And those maps are from the week before Thanksgiving, so not long ago at all... :confused:

I did, also dig out my Port Orleans Riverside map, and they are *very* clearly and obviously marked on there. :)