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Re: Disney May Build In Hawaii...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:53 am
by Big Wallaby
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This is just Disney doing something good in the world, namely helping the Superferry.

I've seen video of the thing, and it is a beautiful boat. I would love to take a ride on that thing.

Who knew that there was anyone more wacko than the environuts in Portland, OR.

Re: Disney May Build In Hawaii...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:20 am
by leftcoaster
ktulu wrote:The Coast Guard should have called the Navy to bring in a couple aircraft carriers. "These don't stop very quick, and we estimate that we'll stop just beyond where everyone is parked, so you *might* want to move..."
I think it takes like 2 miles for a Nimitz class carrier to come to a complete stop, no?

Re: Disney May Build In Hawaii...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:21 am
by hobie16
Big Wallaby wrote:I've seen video of the thing, and it is a beautiful boat. I would love to take a ride on that thing.
It is beautiful. Cool design, fast, and an alternative to the usually high prices the airlines charge for interisland travel.

Re: Disney May Build In Hawaii...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:52 am
by Big Wallaby
hobie16 wrote:It is beautiful. Cool design, fast, and an alternative to the usually high prices the airlines charge for interisland travel.
I'm trying to remember the stated reason the wackos are trying to stop it. I mean, other than the fact it's someone trying to provide a helpful service to the citizens of Hawaii.

Re: Disney May Build In Hawaii...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:33 pm
by hobie16
Big Wallaby wrote:I'm trying to remember the stated reason the wackos are trying to stop it. I mean, other than the fact it's someone trying to provide a helpful service to the citizens of Hawaii.
Have you got a week? I'll try to do the Reader's Digest version.

When the concept was first put forward nothing much was said. A rumor on the cocunut telegraph stated when the Superferry came to Maui the area for the canoe clubs would be shut down. They went nuts!! As it turned out it was a rumor but the damage had been done. The canoe clubs and the Sierra Club demanded a Environmental Impact Study be done and sued. A Maui judge ruled they had no standing and tossed the suit. They appealed to the state supreme court.

Meanwhile the state said no EIS was required as no other harbor user had ever done one. The Superferry got their federal guaranteed loans and started building their boats in Alabama and the state built $40 million in harbor improvements to support the ferry.

So, jumping ahead two years. Improvements get done, first boat gets built and makes its way to Honolulu. On Friday before the first trip is scheduled, the supreme court rules the groups do have standing. The Superferry, probably due to some fast legal advice, offers $5 fares starting Saturday for both people and vehicles. They get two days of trips in before the original judge on Maui pulls the plug and stops everything.

The latest ruling says the EIS will be done before the ferry can sail. And, he also said the state was wrong to do the improvements so the ferry can't use them.

State government is now trying to change the law to get them back on the water. Stay tuned for late breaking developments.

Re: Disney May Build In Hawaii...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:09 pm
by drcorey
great, I can see it all now, all control panels and POS systems with picture keys instead of text. sort of like McDonalds now.
"to start, press the running mickey. to stop, press the screaming donald..."

Re: Disney May Build In Hawaii...

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:51 pm
by darph nader
This is from the same state that built the Highway to Nowhere.(well it was actually the Feds,during the Viet Nam war) :(

Re: Disney May Build In Hawaii...

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:31 am
by hobie16
darph nader wrote:This is from the same state that built the Highway to Nowhere.(well it was actually the Feds,during the Viet Nam war) :(
It must have something to do with not being connected with the other 48 states. Alaska is working on The Bridge To Nowhere. The highway in Hawaii does make sense as it connects the Marine base on the far side of Oahu to the airport that's next to the air force base. Many people don't realize the full name of the interstate highway system is National System of Interstate and Defense Highways.

UPDATE: Most of the Superferry employees were laid off to reduce the $300,000 weekly payroll.

Re: Disney May Build In Hawaii...

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:10 pm
by ktulu
hobie16 wrote: UPDATE: Most of the Superferry employees were laid off to reduce the $300,000 weekly payroll.
Would those be Hawaiian's that just lost their jobs? Perhaps the groups fighting this will donate money to feed those ex-employees, pay their rent/mortgage and cloth them.

Something tells me they won't, probably won't even lift a finger to help them find a new job.

Re: Disney May Build In Hawaii...

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:48 pm
by hobie16
ktulu wrote:Would those be Hawaiian's that just lost their jobs? Perhaps the groups fighting this will donate money to feed those ex-employees, pay their rent/mortgage and cloth them.

Something tells me they won't, probably won't even lift a finger to help them find a new job.
The kinda good news is most of those laid off were part time employees. It still doesn't make it any easier for someone who took the job with the expectations of working for the company for a long time.

The other good news is unemploment in Hawaii is around 2%. If someone wants to work there are plenty of opportunities.