How Can You Not Know That Guns Are Not Allowed In The Parks?!?!?!

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Re: How Can You Not Know That Guns Are Not Allowed In The Parks?!?!?!

Post by GaTechGal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:31 am

avengador1 wrote:I think what the bumper sticker is referring to is a good Samaritan with a gun, that could potentially take out a bad guy, intent on killing many people, thus saving those many lives. Usually these criminals would not expect anyone to shot at them once they have started their attack. This action would change their behavior from predator to prey. They would then have to change their plans very quickly if they want to survive. Some of these people just want to go out in a hail of bullets and expect to be killed by the police, or they are planning on killing themselves once their bloodlust is satisfied. An armed society is a polite society. If criminals knew more people would be armed they would think twice before committing their crimes. ;)
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Post by Buggy » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:52 am

Oh, I thought it was like you could use a gun to cauterize a wound, or perform an emergency tonsillectomy or something like that.

Just remember, guns save lives, but vaccines... those are the real killers.



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Post by Zazu » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:21 am

avengador1 wrote:An armed society is a polite society.
This a quote from Dr. Jerry Pournelle. His writing partner, Larry Niven, followed it with his own addition:

"... but only after a very bloody first six months."


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Post by WEDFan » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:20 am

avengador1 wrote:An armed society is a polite society. If criminals knew more people would be armed they would think twice before committing their crimes. ;)
The difficulty is this relies on rational thought. It requires a rational comparison of risk/reward. Especially in the case of mass shootings, it doesn't seem to often involve rational anything. :eek:



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Post by GaTechGal » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:35 am

WEDFan wrote:The difficulty is this relies on rational thought. It requires a rational comparison of risk/reward. Especially in the case of mass shootings, it doesn't seem to often involve rational anything. :eek:
In the case of mass shootings, it's usually only mass because it takes a while for someone else with a gun to show up and take out the shooter or threaten him enough to take out himself. But I agree, all those men involved in the more recent mass shootings were insane.



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Post by hobie16 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:07 pm

Speaking of insanity...

FLIPPIN, AR[LEFT][font=Verdana], 9/09/13: Authorities say no one was injured after the mayor of Flippin accidentally shot out a window in the police chief's office at City Hall.[/font][font=Verdana]In the report, Police Chief Dusty Smith says he was on the telephone in his City Hall office when Mayor J.J. Hudson came in and picked up the gun. he chief says he heard a loud shot and saw a large hole in his window. No one was injured. Hudson told police that he was trying to unload the firearm and that the ammunition had jammed. He told the newspaper that "it's all been taken care of" and declined further comment.[/font][font=Verdana]It was a flippin' accident.[/font][/LEFT]
ARCADIA, CA[LEFT][font=Verdana], 9/10/13: Shortly after 2:20 a.m., an officer made contact with a suspicious vehicle that was stopped in the area of First Avenue and Colorado Boulevard. The officer noticed the front passenger side window was broken. An investigation revealed the driver was handling a firearm while driving and accidentally shot one round in an unknown direction. The officer discovered the 53-year-old male was under the influence of alcohol with a blood alcohol content greater than 0.08 percent.[/font][font=Verdana][/font][/LEFT]
WHEELERSBURG, OH[LEFT][font=Verdana], 9/13/13: A Portsmouth man has been flown by helicopter to a Columbus hospital Friday after suffering an apparently accidental gunshot wound. John Little was reportedly looking at a gun at Three D Outfitters gun store at 8508 Ohio River Road, Wheelersburg, when the gun discharged, striking him in the hand. Kevin Dingus said Little came into the store and asked to look at a Colt 1911 .45 pistol. The gun reportedly had five live rounds in it at the time.[/font][font=Verdana][/font][/LEFT]
NEW YORK, NY[LEFT][font=Verdana], 9/14/13: Cops trying to subdue an emotionally disturbed man with a long rap sheet accidentally shot two female bystanders outside Port Authority Bus Terminal on Saturday night, source said.[/font][font=Verdana]Theodora Ray, 54, was struck in her leg — breaking two bones in her calf — as she stood leaning on her four-wheeled walker across from the terminal; Sahara Khoshakhlagh, 35, was grazed in her buttocks.[/font][/LEFT]
FORT WORTH, TX[LEFT][font=Verdana], 9/14/13: A 78-year-old woman was shot in the foot late Saturday when her shotgun discharged after her dog accidentally knocked it over.[/font][font=Verdana][/font][/LEFT]
SALEM, MA[LEFT][font=Verdana], 9/14/13: A Dorchester man, angry after being asked to leave a house party early Saturday morning, returned and opened fire on the Linden Street house, sending one bullet through a neighbor’s bedroom wall, a foot from where a woman was nursing a 61/2-week-old infant.[/font][font=Verdana][/font][/LEFT]
TAHLEQUAH, OK[LEFT][font=Verdana], 9/14/13: Cherokee County sheriff’s deputies arrested a 22-year-old Hulbert woman Saturday after she allegedly shot her father.[/font][font=Verdana]Deputies said that at some point, she fired the gun into a wooded area hoping to “scare” or “warn” her father, whom she thought had gone but might be coming back. After she fired the shot, she noticed her father fall to the ground inside the nearby wooded area.[/font][/LEFT]
MICHIGAN CITY, IN[LEFT][font=Verdana], 9/15/13: Authorities say a 3-year-old boy was fatally shot at his family's home in northwestern Indiana.[/font][font=Verdana]Investigators found that Lance [Wilson, the boy killed] and [the boy's mother's boyfriend, Zachariah] Grisham had been playing a game, with the boy using his hand to pretend to shoot Grisham, and during the game, Grisham took out a handgun and, thinking it was not loaded, pulled the trigger. The boy was shot in the head.[/font][font=Verdana][/font][/LEFT]


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Post by hobie16 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:16 pm

Goofyernmost wrote:Why don't you list individually, the number of people killed per day by cars driven by idiots texting, drinking or drugged. You wouldn't even have to list those that died or were maimed accidentally to surpass by thousands all incidents involving guns.
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However, I do believe that people have the right to own one, in a far more basic sense then the right to own a car.
I just ran across some thoughts on gun/auto ownership.

[LEFT][font=Verdana]When you buy a car, you get a title issued by the state that shows who owned the car before and records the fact that you own it now.
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[font=Verdana]So, when you buy a gun, the state should issue a gun title. The title will show that you own it, as well as all previous owners. And you pay for that title.[/font]
[font=Verdana]If you want to drive your car anywhere other than up and down your driveway, you have to get it registered with the State, and then renew your registration on an annual basis, and pay a fee for the privilege of doing that.
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[font=Verdana]So, I'm all for gun registration. And not just once, but once a year. And, of course, you should pay a fee for the privilege of doing that.[/font]
[font=Verdana]Darn, before you can register your car, you have to get a safety inspection! and do so annually.[/font]
[font=Verdana]Guns should have to get an annual safety inspection. Is it still in proper working order? Is there a defect or broken part that could cause it to be accidentally discharged? This should be checked every year, just like cars. And, you should pay for it.[/font]
[font=Verdana]Annual excise tax on cars.
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[font=Verdana]My state certainly does. It varies by jurisdiction. In mine its 4.71% of the assessed value annually! Perhaps they could do the same with guns. Make it really high in urban areas, really low in rural areas because guns don't kill people, people do. So fewer people, lower tax.[/font]
[font=Verdana]To drive a car, you need a license.
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[font=Verdana]To own/use a gun, you should also need a license. The license can be given to you once you've had so many hours of proper training, just like a license permit. And, you shouldn't be able to get one unless you're of a certain age, and even then, serious restrictions on when you can use it until you are old enough to get a full blown license. And even then, you should have to go back and get another test from time to time to prove you still know how to use a gun safely.[/font]
[font=Verdana]To drive a car, you need insurance!
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[font=Verdana]Agree. Same with gun owners. They should have insurance, especially liability insurance. No dropping the gun and killing someone by accident and saying OOPS and having the State give you a pass because it was an accident. I would like to see serious financial liabilities involved. That means mandatory insurance. And, if you have a checkered gun history, then you should go into the high risk pool.[/font]

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Post by hobie16 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:19 pm

Continued thoughts.

[LEFT][font=Verdana]You can lose your driver's license and even your car for a myriad of infractions or upon a Doctor's orders.
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[font=Verdana]Same with guns. Do something nutty with a gun, like getting caught drunk with a gun? Then the officer can just pull your gun license and your guns right there on the spot. Have them all towed away. And, you should have to go to a judge and hope he gives you them back. And if a mental health professional deems you or someone in your house as not capable of safely having guns, they should be required to report it, and someone should show up at your door take away the guns in your house (Sandy Hook) until a health professional tells a judge you're a-ok.[/font]
[font=Verdana]Late model cars are required to have tons of safety features, air bags, seat belts, 5 mph bumpers, safety glass, etc etc etc.
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[font=Verdana]So should guns. Trigger locks? De-cocking levers? Gun safes?[/font]
[font=Verdana]Car manufactures all have manufacturer liability.
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[font=Verdana]Why don't gun companies? Aren't there laws or those pushing for laws to shield gun manufacturers from liability? Why? Let's make them just like cars. In fact, we should have a NHTSA for guns too - an watchdog agency over gun manufacturers.[/font]
[font=Verdana]I'm sure others could come up with more. This was just off the top of my head.[/font]
[font=Verdana]I'm all in. Lets make cars just like guns. And yes, just like cars, you can buy all the guns you want to your hearts content. Just be sure you get them all registered, inspected, and insured.[/font][/LEFT]


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Post by GaTechGal » Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:52 am

Automobile ownership is not a right enumerated in the Constitution.



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